Would You Date Caitlyn Jenner?

Because I want to see what actual progressives think about the issue. To me, there is no better gauge of whether or not people believe in the transgender narrative than if they are actually willing to date a transgender, or at least find them sexually attractive.

 

I was exactly right. This whole thread is just Brewskier's lame attempt to argue that progressives are hypocritical if they say they wouldn't date a transgender (or a gay) because they tolerate their differing views and behavior.

Because, as I'll said in my first post and now say for the 5th time as it is beyond clear you simply cannot understand the difference, the fact that progressives tolerate views and behaviors different from their own does not necessarily mean they adopt or approve such behaviors.

It's like beating your head against a wall.

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Yes, you've made your inability to discern the difference between tolerance and respect and adoption and approval multiple times now, and not just in this thread.

 

Strawman. This thread has nothing to do with whether or not progressives "tolerate their differing views and behavior". Obviously they do, for what I would argue are political reasons. You are trying to redirect the conversation to one that is a little more comfortable for you to discuss. This thread was directed at those progressives who believe that men who change into women are actually women. It was a test to see if they really believed in their own belief and narrative. You weren't willing to answer that direct question, surprisingly. Direct questions like that negate the effects of hedging at a later date.

Another strawman. Maybe it only feels like you're hitting your head against a wall because you continually insist on not answering the questions people actually ask you to answer?

There's a difference between respecting and tolerating a transgender's lifestyle and agreeing with them that they are actually women. If someone agreed that a transgender was actually a woman, then that "woman" should be looked at no differently as any other woman, and the person should be willing to date "her" if the attraction and interest was there.

 

So you think that if someone supports transgender rights, but wouldn't date a transgender, they're a hypocrite?

I think you need to look up the meaning of "hypocrite."

 

Don't piggy back on Iriemon's strawman argument. My question was very clear in the OP. If you considered a transgender to be a woman, no different than any other, that "woman" would be a potential mate for you, right? If you found "her" attractive, had things in common, and all the other checkmarks are checked in the process of selecting who you would want to go out with, then a transgendered "woman" should be absolutely no different than any other woman - if you were really being truthful when you said she was a woman to begin with. Right?

 

I'm happily married and have no interest in dating Caitlyn Jenner or any other woman who isn't my wife.

If I weren't married, Caitlyn is too much of a public figure for me to want to date her.

And the idea that any woman, transgender or not, is just like any other woman is astoundingly ignorant.

 

LOL, how is it a "strawman"? I saw your purpose from your OP.

Progressives' tolerance is exactly the issue. You're taking the fact that progressives are tolerant of other people's views and behaviors and use that tolerance to claim they would be hypocrites if they do not adopt the behavior.

It's a very sophomoric argument.

More head banging.

Your OP didn't ask people if they thought a transgender was the same as someone born with that sex.

 

If you weren't married, and Caitlyn Jenner was not a public figure (two distraction attempts from the crux of the argument), would you consider dating Caitlyn, or another transgender, if you found them attractive?

 

I already answered that question, quite completely. But now we're discussing your apparent misunderstanding of what constitutes hypocrisy.

 

A lot of people referring to this man as a "she" or "her".

Its just a dude in drag.

 

Here is the OP:

Point out where I asked about whether or not progressives were "tolerant" of the transgender lifestyle?

I'll agree your mischaracterization of my argument is indeed very sophomoric. Maybe eventually you'll answer my actual question.

My OP asked if someone who was in complete agreement that a transgender is, indeed, a "woman", would be willing to date that person. You chose not to answer that question, surprisingly. I wonder why?

 

I would not refuse to date someone just because she was a transgender.

Is that the answer you were trolling for? Or would you like to change your question and add more qualifiers?

 

Underneath the verbosity in your post, you actually answered "I don't know". That's not really a complete answer to my question, is it ray?

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Nope, that's a direct answer to my direct question. Glad we finally arrived at that. You're ahead of quite a few other posters who are participating. Thanks.

 

Why? They fact you asked about it is irrelevant.

I didn't mischaracterize it at all. You even asked how it wouldn't be hypocritical. See post 74.

Not really. You're question asked progressives a question "assuming you are 100% in agreement that Bruce Jenner does indeed become a woman after he gets his sex reassignment."

If you are 100% in agreement with that, why just ask Progressives?

But the reason I didn't answer has been explained numerous times. You're question relies on a fallacious assumption and it's none of your damn business what I would do.

 

Sure it is. Unless you live in a black-and-white world where all questions can be answered "Yes" or "No".

 

I never asked about whether progressives were tolerant of the transgender lifestyle. You conjured that from scratch and used it in your strawman argument.

I asked why it wouldn't be hypocritical for a person to refuse dating a transgender if they truly believed that person to be a woman.

Right. If a progressive really, truly believed Jenner to be a woman after the surgery, they should have no issue with potentially finding "her" sexually attractive. Jenner would be a woman at that point, right?

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Great, so your answer to the question is "I don't know". Thank you for your contribution.

 

I never claimed you asked me whether Progressives are tolerant. I explained that to demonstration the sophomoric argument you're trying to make.

Exactly as I pointed out in earlier posts. I knew that was the silly argument you were trying to make.

What difference does it make if they were progressive or conservative if that is what they truly believe?

No, I pointed out the silly preconceptions and fallacious implications of your question as well as your obvious purpose in doing so.

You're welcome.

 

You did no such thing. You simply refused to answer the question I asked and chose to respond to a question I didn't ask. Pretty much the textbook definition of a strawman argument. I'll let others decide for themselves if such a debate tactic holds any merit.

It's not a silly argument. Some people were able to answer it directly and honestly.

I only see progressives pushing the transgender narrative I referred to in the OP. It wouldn't make sense to ask conservatives about it.

I wasn't aware you were now authorized to speak on behalf of raytri. I'll try and remember that from now on.

 

After her surgery, shes a woman, so youd still be a straight male.

 

Repetitive. See above.

Good for them.

You think? See post immediately above this one.

I hadn't realized that was directed to Rayti.

 

Yes, I have had to repeat that you have been engaging in strawman arguments for a while now in this thread. It's too bad you insist on doing that.

Indeed. It's great having discussions with members who answer honestly without playing games.

Obviously.

 

Repetitive. See above.

It would be great having discussions with members who ask questions honestly without playing games.

 

PSA: Don’t go as Caitlyn Jenner for Halloween



The difference was neatly summed up by Adams in his interview with the Washington Post.

“Transgender women are women,” Adams said, “and when Caitlyn Jenner or any other trans woman steps out into the world as her authentic self, she isn’t wearing a costume.”

 

lol

Check this out

Barack Obama praises Caitlyn Jenner

 

It's funny when they say they are tolerating this kind of thing. It looks more like they openly advocate and celebrate it.