Would you have thought a year ago

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Would you have thought a year ago that:

  1. we would be casually talking now about a nuclear war?

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    14.3%
  2. that we would risk our country to allow NATO to increase from 30 to 31 members?

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    0.0%
  3. that sleepy Joe would be the figurehead of an amazingly destructive 2 years?

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    42.9%
  4. that the dollar would be in trouble and war looming and we would still be arguing about Jan 6th?

    1 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. that OPEC would be back in charge?

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    28.6%
  6. that COVID would be over and we would still be running up huge deficits?

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    28.6%
  7. that Joe Biden would be 'man of the year'?

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  8. other response

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would you have thought a year ago that:
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I remember when the partial reactor meltdown at Three Mile Island was big news, that when Chernobyl in Ukraine blew that was big news, but now we have a risk of nuclear war and many people are only interested in Jan 6th.

    What we could do differently in Ukraine is not even considered; just blame it on the other side because that's what the news is doing.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Other Response: I was expecting an immigration surge, and maybe a border crisis, but not during COVID.

    The others: dollar loss of value, a bigger debt, OPEC back in the driving seat, a threat of nuclear war, and war with Russia were all unexpected.
     
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    Well **** happens when midget hitler decided to upend the entire planet by invading another soveriegn nation and declare parts of it his in 2022.

    If he just went in...****ed around a bit and then left, I don't think that would be a big deal...but the colossal idiot decided to just "take" land that's not his.

    So here we are.
     
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    NATO, - sure, always looking to expand. Its expanding by 2 countries, not one
    OPEC, - of course. It never ends with them
    Deficits, - almost back to pre-Covid levels (and half of 2021, and third of 2020). Still high
    Dollar, - its too strong if anything
    Amazingly destructive year, - not sure what that means. Did you like 2020 better?
    Man of the year, - Joe? That was before he became president and only because he managed to get Trump fired
    Jan-6, - that's not going anywhere for a LONG time
    Nuclear war, - I don't think people see it as a realistic threat
     
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    He's not taking land from us or our allies. Sure we can still take action against that kinda stuff, but we're essentially in an undeclared war over it right now. Assuming we can agree that its not our responsibility to fight in every war where someone is trying to 'take land' (that would be all wars), on what basis do we have a responsibility to fight this one in particular?
     
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    Oh. Oh that's ok. Because we didn't do nothing in 2008 with Georgia. We played it your way. So he did it again in 2014. We played it your way. Now he's doing it again in 2022. Trump rightfully labelled him and "expansionist authoritarian regime." (that means he won't stop here) He has no problem weaponizing dependant trade like grain or gas. Maybe we should just...you know? Let him control all of Ukraine's global exports so that in the future he could just keep expanding and threaten the globe again by withholding important exports holding the world ransom?

    Or maybe we just cower because he threatens nukes? What do you think that would teach North Korea? or China? Or Iran? Think that's a good message?

    There are so many reasons as to why we have to take a stand here beyond the fact that poor Ukraine should have the right to decide to have stronger ties and trade with the EU.

    If you were under the idea that there was never going to be a confrontation between east and west governed countries now or in the future...I hate to break that fairy tale you've set up. And I want to tell you to brace yourself, because this is the small one. The big one is with China down the road. That's coming. Expect it. It's unavoidable.
     
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    That would be a good argument if we hadn't spent the last few decades in a campaign of regime change in multiple countries in that region (including Ukraine). The message we're sending is 'We're allowed, you're not.' Thats a far worse message to send than 'We're not the world's police.' Nations arent much different from people in the regard that when we tell them they're not allowed to do the things we do, it makes them want to prove us wrong.

    But the most pertinent point, the one that matters most, is what a nuclear war will mean for the entire planet. Ukraine wasn't just kept out of NATO for bureaucratic technicalities. It was kept out of NATO because it was always known that what is happening right now had a high liklihood to lead to nuclear war, and the threat that poses to all the people of the world is more important than the threat Russia posed to Ukraine. Or, was. Now, apparently, all the adults left the room and now the children are throwing bigger and bigger firecrackers at eachother with no one around to keep the house from burning down.

    I hope you've at least been stocking up on iodine and firewood while cheering on our march to global nuclear war...
     
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    There isn't going to be a nuclear war unless Iran or North Korea go full dipshit. Which is totally possible. But what there is going to be, is a shuffle of power and a power struggle. East vs West. Communisim vs Democracy. Freedom vs authoritarian rule. Which is what we are seeing right now. And it's all Putin talks about in his speeches and part of why he's doing this.

    He wants Ukraine and it's resources under his control. Gives him power and leverage. I'd rather that midget Hitler didn't get more power or leverage and I sincerely hope that all Eastern nations have learned a valuable lesson regarding trust and Putin's Russia.
     
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    And you base "There isn't going to be a nuclear war" with Russia on what exactly?
     
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    Putin is a war mongering midget Hitler but he isn't stupid. China doesn't want nuclear war either. Only way we trigger his nukes is if we attack his home soil. Not this annaxed **** either. Putin wants to be remembered in the same breath as Stahlin or Peter the Great. He doesn't want to be known as the guy who ended Russia and scortched the planet.

    Now Rocketman over in North Korea? I'm not so sure. And certainly if/when Iran gets nukes that's going to be a scary deal.

    Putin and his government keep threatening nukes or hinting at them as a means to exhaust us and frighten our population, forcing us to the negotiation table while he still has land he can keep. Because once you go to the negotiation table with things how they are now, the land he is on is likely his and he knows that.

    There is going to be no dirty bomb. No nukes. Not large scale not tactical. It's all rhetoric designed to get the western population frieghtened and out protesting and pressuring their governments into leaving NATO and negotiating with Russia ASAP.
     
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    That if there is one and it's a big one then nobody will be able to hold him to account for his bad guess.

    I certainly hope there isn't one,

    but we will need a good road map to get from gaining control of both houses to gaining control of the warmongers.
     
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    There is no "gaining control of Russia's house" Their government is ****ed and designed in such a way that I fully suspect Putin's replacement to be worse than he is.
     
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    so, basically, you're relying the ol' 'they'd never do it, they'd have to be crazy' schtick... What if they think we're crazy enough to do it?
     
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    Someones gotta go first and it ain't gonna be us
     
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    It's all so disgusting and depressing that I can't make a choice.
     
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    I'm not sure it's that hopeless, but it is a bit confusing to have as our biggest enemy, our own President who is working for his drug addicted son and the weapons makers who are making life so miserable for everyone.
     
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    No... a year ago I could not have guessed one thing about what has happened in 2022!

    I have read a great theory though that in my opinion assists to explain the logic of what has been going on and why!


    Whoever it is who can pass a script to Biden and Trudeau and they read that script for them....they want Americans and Canadians really scared and desperate.

    They say that they are raising interest rates to fight inflation.....
    I believe that they want a significant percentage of families to lose their homes so that people are desperate enough to give up many freedoms and accept the Biden Digital Currency on the terms that Biden's handlers want!
     
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    after 4 year of Trump throwing a wrench into the world order, yes, sadly this is all to be expected
     
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    And how will things be a year from now?
     
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    Maybe the same, but no better. All the Republican Congress can do is prevent Biden from passing another inflationary trillion dollar spending bill. The Democrats, led by the Biden puppet, will continue to hold down our energy production which will perpetuate inflation and play into Putin’s hands. If we could increase our production of natural gas, we could lower fertilizer costs, export more gas to Europe and lower Putin’s influence.

    But AOC and the Squad control our policies, so nothing will change. Universal poverty and government dependence are the goals for “progressive” Democrats.
     
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    The World Economic Forum has stated their plan to make some of the common people die of cold and starvation this winter,
    and the privileged will own nothing and eat bugs.

    Is our left willing to come right out and own those goals as being the same as theirs?

    Will they admit it? Are they skirting around the issue?
     
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