Would you like a career with Qantas???

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  1. dumbanddumber

    dumbanddumber New Member

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    Would you like to work for someone who prefers to pay their CEO a 71% payrise while their is a pay dispute with employees?

    Would you like to work for someone who prefers to ground all their aircraft and lose millions in revenues rather than come to some sort of agreement with their most valuable asset their employees???

    Sounds like a throw back to the 1970's and 1980's where the mentatlity of the employer was to grind them to the ground or go out of business instead of paying their employees a decent salary or wage to maintain their standard of living.

    Employees are the most valiable asset a company can have, its only proper that they are looked after instead of being driven into the ground.

    And why the hell do we have American CEO's aren't any Aussies good enough for the top positions in Australia???

    Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) the $5 million dollar man, is he really doing his job properly to earn those sorts of dollars, doesnt sound like it to me, if he was on top of his game this dispute would have been done and dusted!!!!

    I say i wouldn't like to work for Qantas and glad that i dont if they have this sort of attitude.
     
  2. Uncle Meat

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    Quite simply, no.

    If he was on a $200,000 salary I could understand. However, someone on a $5 million package really has no excuse for letting things get so out of hand.

    If Qantas survives, I'd say his days are numbered (although I'm sure he'll stitch up a nice little severance package: greedy bastards like him always do).
     
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    baggage handlers are on 75k at qantas...and they want MORE... yep i'd go work there for sure.
     
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    The Prime Minister whose government is affiliated with the trade union movement should be able to sort things out. No conflict of interest there. :bored:
     
  5. Uncle Meat

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    It's been referred to Fair Work Australia, not the Prime Minister's Office.

    FWA is an independent body. There is no conflict of interest there.
     
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    Now see, that's why I like this site. You guys are there and know what's really going on. I had read that Julia Gillard called an emergency arbitration court hearing Saturday night to terminate the strike action. It's obviously more complicated than that. Regardless, Qantas is going to lose some market share over this.
     
  7. ian

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    This has been politically engineered, Qantas was not going to survive unless they were drastically restructured. They simply cannot compete with other airlines. This is exactly what the management are doing, a long protracted strike will see them lose a large portion of their workforce without the need for redundancy payments.
     
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    Yes, the PM actually initiated the hearing, however, it's being conducted by the independent body that looks after national workplace relations - FWA.

    Yep, Qantas will suffer regardless of the outcome.
     
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    QANTAS has had a contingency plan to ground its fleet since October 20th. No notice was given to its passengers. Good work QANTAS!
     
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    ALL airlines have a contingency plan to ground all their aircraft at any time... Nice try though.
     
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    But not due to union action. Safety maybe.
     
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    For safety yes.. But to infer that the plan was there only for the current problem is wrong.
    The unions have no right to dictate to the company how it should run and that is why we have the problem.
     
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    Do unions always act strictly for safety reasons? Good for the goose etc...........
     
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    Qantas is $259m in the black. I don't see how that's showing that they're not competing.
     
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    Ok so it wasn't as much as predicted and they made 4.3 percent less than the previous year, (*)(*)(*)(*) they still made a good profit though.

    2010/11
     
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    Have you guys forgotten the various mechanical failures on QANTAS aircraft since the unions started targetting QANTAS?

    Safety was being comprimised by all the union actions; strikes, threatened strikes being cancelled at the last minute etc. Planning and organizing aircraft schedules is integrated with many things, airport opening hours around the world, connecting flights, airspace restrictions, pilot operating restrictions and of direct relevance to safety...maintenance schedules.

    Union actions are only designed to disrupt QANTAS operations but all the operations are interconnected.

    QANTAS did the only thing it could to stop the interference and Joyce is right that anyone in the industry shouldnt have been surprised.
     
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    Can you show us the mathematics that support your claim that this stopage costs Qantas less than paying a few redundants?

    THIS SHOULD BE GOOD! :fart:
     
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    Section 431 of the FWA Act...Gillard's own Act...gave her the power to stop the Qantas fleet being grounded and the industrial dispute referred to arbitration.

    She didn't use it...Tony Sheldon from the TWU looks like being her new boss, the Federal President of the Labor Party.
     
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    Gillard is everyone's puppet...
     
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    The big picture
     
  21. axialturban

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    CEO's job is to keep the company running, not to ensure Australian's keep above normal wages and conditions. It's not owned by the government and its definatly not owned by the unions. There is nothing stopping them closing the business completely and walking away leaving ppl with no jobs at all.

    Since the focus is on keeping the company running, they have to be competitive with their rivals.

    If the unions had an argument where QANTAS was actually being greedy then they'd have something of value, but trying to force a company into the ground for short term workers pay and conditions is just the union trying to bully itself into a position where their members think they are of relevance or use. That sort of BS will not get any sympathy from me - because its stupid for the workers, and just greed of the unions.
     
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    sshhh, adults are talking.
     
  24. axialturban

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    I'd be a pilot if I had to choose, they get paid a tonne already and the job is a breeze. I've had a few rides up front before they banned it and the most difficult thing is learning and being current in the aircrafts systems, failures and best ways to avoid accidents getting worse. Normal operations is less demanding then driving to work. Then again I'd probably do it for free just to be able to fly the jets for fun.
     
  25. bambu

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    But would you be able to back it out of the boarding/air bridge bay without hitting anything?
     

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