Would you trade more in prison in exchange for fewer murders/crimes?

Now we address those who belong in prison. At least normally society says they belong there.
If you believe more prisoners in prison = to less crime, it makes sense to get more prisoners.
This has been believed in the past. Many still believe this.

What do you believe?

 

Curing poverty and getting rid of the Second Amendment will do a lot to reduce crime and it's severity.

 

I was thinking about this yesterday after reading Tom Cotton's tweet. https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1379438205704019969

I believe we would be better off by focusing on the social problems that lead to criminal behavior. I also believe there is a window of opportunity in which we can provide people with the support they need to be productive members of society (both before criminal behavior starts and after a person is released from prison). Nobody prospers in that environment except the for-profit prison system.

 

Just ending the failed war on drugs will cause a massive shift. That has a higher chance of happening in our lifetimes than the other two imo.

 

It doesn't help the biggest drug dealer is the government. Just say "No", right?

 

Dealer — trafficker — supplier.
Seems they have all the angles covered

 

Agreed, Portugal proved it works.

 

In your fantasy world, where poverty causes crime - maybe.

Good thing reality makes a nonsense of that fantasy.

 

Agreed. We're WAY too soft on the irresponsible parenting which underpins criminal behaviour. Make it painful to drop the parenting ball, and less parents will drop the ball.

 

It's not just a parenting problem. It's a parent-less problem.

Statistics suggest bleak futures for children who grow up in foster care

Statistics show the future bodes poorly for many of the children in the foster care system, a top official with Arrow Child and Family Ministries said. Arrow, an international child-placement agency, claims the statistics describe a “national foster care crisis.”

As of April, there were 349 children from Randall and Potter counties in foster care.

According to national statistics provided by Arrow, 40 to 50 percent of those children will never complete high school. Sixty-six percent of them will be homeless, go to jail or die within one year of leaving the foster care system at 18.

Arrow also said 80 percent of the prison population once was in foster care, and that girls in foster care are 600 percent more likely than the general population to become pregnant before the age of 21.

Keith Howard, state director of Arrow Child and Family Ministries in the Texas Panhandle, said the numbers show that the foster care system has failed children.​

https://www.amarillo.com/article/20120624/NEWS/306249799
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We currently have over 500,000 children in our broken foster care system, and all are at extremely high risk...​

Almost 80% of inmates incarcerated in our prisons have spent time in foster care.
40-50% of former foster youth become homeless within 18 months after leaving care.
60% of youth earn incomes below the poverty line.
65% of children in foster care experience seven or more school changes from elementary to high school.
Only 1-3% graduate from college.
25% of foster youth will be in prison within two years of emancipation.
It costs an average of $47,000 per year to incarcerate an inmate in California.
Four of five (80 percent) young women become pregnant too soon.
32% of foster children are between the ages of 0 and 5
28% of foster children are between the ages of 6 and 12
40% of foster children are between the ages of 13 and 21
Average # of birthdays a child spends in foster care: 2(28 months)
They are diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) at six times the general population and double the rate of veterans returning from war.
Eight of ten (81 percent) males have been arrested compared to 17 percent of their peers who were not in foster care.
California has twice as many foster children as any other state -- 60,000.

http://www.fostercare2.org/ask-the-pros-2
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WHAT IS THE FOSTER CARE-TO-PRISON PIPELINE?
https://jlc.org/news/what-foster-care-prison-pipeline

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Striking Back in Anger: Delinquency and Crime in Foster Children
https://adoptioninchildtime.org/bon...nger-delinquency-and-crime-in-foster-children

 

Unless they're ORPHANS, then yes it's one hundred percent a parenting fail.

If you're alive and your kids end up in foster care, you ****ed up.

 

How is being an absent parent NOT a parenting fail?​

 

Sorry, this question doesn't makes sense, primarily because its putting the cart before the horse. Before people can be imprisoned for committing a crime they have to actually commit that crime first. Barring crystal balls, physic detectives or a time machine etc there's no way of knowing with perfect foresight whether a person X will in fact commit a crime in the future.

There is some evidence to support the contention that a significant proportion of murderers (not all) will go on to commit further murders if not subjected to proper interventions post release but the same evidence also shows the vast majority of convicted felons don't go on to commit violent crime. The only exception (unsurprisingly) being felons convicted of armed/violent sexual offenses. The rest no. In general outside of sexual offenses repeat offending is largely related to drug habits which are easier AND cheaper to treat outside of jail rather than in.

The question also overlooks the the issue of cost - to the taxpayer. On average it costs something like USD 40-45,000 per year to keep a prisoner in jail, which is partly why private enterprise is so attracted to the idea of corporate jails. So if want more prisoners you have to pay for the privilege.

 

That's not necessarily true. I know several people that had very loving parents who turned to a life of crime. I know many, myself included, who were abused by their family and thrown away. I put myself through college and have always paid my own way. I never resorted to crime but that was a choice I made. And, sadly, many people who've experienced severe abuse go on to become abusers. Some don't. I chose to use my strengths to help others.

I have a neighbor who is one of six children. His mother died when he was a toddler. His father realized that he couldn't raise six children so he literally gave them away to foster care. The siblings were separated and my neighbor is the only one that didn't turn to a life of crime. He is addicted to marijuana and has some serious mental health problems but he's stayed on this side of a prison cell.

I was a volunteer child abuse advocate many years ago and I saw these families up close. Many of them were young parents that just couldn't handle the responsibility of taking care of another human being. I was just reading yesterday about a woman that took her 7 year old son out for a drive and literally left him on the side of the road. He ran back to get in the car and she ran over him. She took his dead body home and she and her boyfriend moved the body to bury it. That is one of countless family tragedies that are happening around the world.

This is one reason that I've taken an interest in helping men and women coming out of prison. Society has basically thrown them away and turns a blind eye to them and the problems many face when leaving the judicial system. With the exception of murderers, rapists and pedophiles (the groups of people I will not work with), most people end up in prison solely because they couldn't afford competent legal advice. The Public Defender is overwhelmed with the number of cases on the docket and they don't have time to truly advocate for their clients.

In a nutshell, the foster system and prison system are major fails and we all are a bit complicit in that.

 

The short answer is some people are so awful they are doing their kid a favor by being absent.

 

How are those examples NOT parenting failures? You keep saying it's not parenting failure, then give examples of parenting failure.

And those people you thought had 'loving' parents, yet ended up doing crime - clearly didn't have the parents you thought they did. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. Criminal behaviour doesn't happen in a vacuum.

 

Once again - how is that NOT a parenting fail?

 

Put 'em to work!

 

God, how I love those libs like the one in post 2 that make it as simple as poverty and the 2nd amendment.
What’s scary is these people walk free in this country.

Detroit is arguably the most violent, crime ridden city in America and one of the worlds top ten most dangerous city’s. Some years higher, some years lower. I believe it has trended lower last coup,e years as a no nonsense, no excuse chief of police has been cleaning up things.
But anyways, 75 % of Detroit school kids never graduate high school. 75% never live in a two parent home.
It’s not uncommon for a single man in Detroit to be a father to 10+ kids and not even know about them
Yet Detroit has been ran by Dems for 60 years. Chicago, St. Louis, Cleveland and others mirror Detroit I’m sure.
So what’s the common thread here? Those who watch cnn, msnbc, abc and similar news(?) sources will say
Poverty and the 2nd amendment.
Those who can look and see where the rot really is and who’s responsible for it generally also know how to fix it but are not Dems.

 

Bernie Madoff shows that curing poverty does not reduce crime. Crime is a state of mind and not of the bank account.
The removal of the right mentioned in the 2nd helps how?

 

When you do that, you get called a racist.

 

We have 2 posters suggesting this is the fault of Government. Given the arrests are almost all done by local cops, how can it be their fault?

 

How did Portugal manage that? And you focus on one crime.

 

Notice the fascism of Edna the libo. Let's just get rid of the bill of rights and that will stop blacks from killing one another.

So why is crime so high in cities with strict gun control? In Chicago the police confiscate or buy back 10,000 guns a year. So why so many shootings?

Solving black violence is always whitey's responsibility. If law abiding white people would just give up their rights to own a gun violent criminal blacks would stop shooting each other. What person with an IQ in double digits really believes that?

As for getting rid of poverty I'm all for it. The democrat party lives off poverty and misery. They will never allow that.

 

Foster care can be visualized as a form of jail or prison sentence.