Would you trade more in prison in exchange for fewer murders/crimes?

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Would we be better off with more convicts?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2022.
  1. Clearly we would.

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  2. Clearly we would not.

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  3. Clearly this is how to solve increased crime. Let me explain.

    15.0%
  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    You criticized my statement that said reducing poverty and repealing 2A would reduce crime and its severity. People in poverty or near poverty cause the most crime, so how would getting people out of poverty not help lower the crime rate? Overturning 2A and strict gun laws would reduce violence associated with crime.

    We have the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world. The UK and Ireland have higher crime rates than the US, but their crimes are less violent and therefore shorter jail time. Catching and jailing criminals does not cure the violent crime problem as the US has demonstrated by the numbers incarcerated. The cure would be reducing poverty and getting guns out of the hands of criminals.
     
  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes we do a better job of catching and prosecuting and incarcerating criminals, why would less of that be better? How would that cure the problem? And if you want to reduce the poverty then reduce the crime first. THEN you can work on improving the neighborhoods and getting businesses and jobs to come back.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    The midsized town I grew up in had a GM plant and a Delco Remy plant. You could make a middle class life with a high school education. They are gone now and the town is a shell of what it once was. There is a lot more poverty, crime and drug addiction. A good job is eleven dollars an hour at Walmart.
    Yeah, let's dump those people on someone else. Problem solved.
     
  4. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    It seems you have things back asswards. Do members of the middle class commit a lot of the crime? Why they don't is because they don't need to. They are not tempted to commit crime to get their needs because their needs are met. Not true for those living in poverty.
     
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    Trump represented those people and you hated him. The jobs go to China?

    Interesting that you lecture me about this. The mega rich like Bezos and Gates run your party.

    What town is that i will look up the crime statistics.
     
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    No I have them face forward. Why do we have those nice middle class neighborhoods, because we don't have lots of crime there and people are willing to live there creating a tax base and businesses are willing to operate there creating jobs and tax revenue because of the low crime committed by the people who live there. And there are LOTS of poor areas and countries where crime is low. But once that crime takes over the standard of living will fall rather quickly. Guilianin proved it in New York, get rid of the crime and you lower poverty and increase the standard of living and that increases the tax base.
     
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    Plenty of auto industry jobs in the South, they are begging for workers. Why didn't new jobs move into those towns up north will all that available labor, because the quality of life and crime rates were getting so high. And then of course the labor unions cost them their jobs. You want them to move back, get rid of the crime make them safe to live in again.
     
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    Repeating your false statement doesn't change facts. You will not be able to defend a position that gun control reduces violence. Gun laws only allow armed gangs to control neighborhoods through fear and provide them with easy victims.

    Using government to "cure" poverty creates more poverty. What do you propose?
     
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    As with many polls, my thoughts are not a selectable option.

    Firstly, we need to reduce government and reduce the number of laws. The war on drugs has served to destroy the 4th Amendment, build Cartels, put a lot of people in prison, and achieve nothing. So let's start by ending the war on drugs and let people exercise the freedom we always claim to have. We put a lot of people in jail that don't belong in jail to feed a prison and justice industry. Given the number of laws in the US everyone is a potential criminal or felon. With the attempts to destroy the 2nd Amendment it is very possible within the next year over 100 million people in America will become very much subject to felony arrest.

    People who commit mass shooting and the like need to be given a quick and fair trial, a quick appeal, and then a public execution other than lethal injection. Hanging, electric chair, etc. - this sort of thing that deterred crime in the past but now all the academics say does not work.

    Violent criminals need to be put in jail for longs periods of times.

    We need to stop bringing people into the country that commit crimes.

    We need more consultation with criminals on how to reduce and deter crime and less consultation with college trained academics.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a percent of prosecuted crimes, drugs is not very high on the list. Violent crimes rank an enormous amount higher.
    Well, till the crybabies took over, capital crimes were punished much faster. At one time criminals would be charged and tried in a month or two and in a month later they had been executed.
     
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    If they could get the job done in six months with capital crime execution I would be happy. We are a society with a short attention span so when someone is executed decades after the crime the message gets lost.

    Forty some percent of the Federal Prison Population are convicted of a drug offense. I was once at the Miami Detention Center when I worked for DOJ and asked the warden how legalization of drugs would impact the number of inmates. His exact words to me were if drugs were legalized we would have to shut this place down.
     
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    Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment will create millions of new criminals with the stroke of a pin and an even larger prison population. More Government and more laws means more criminals.
     
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    We tried your approach with the "Great Society" which has cost 22 Trillion. It didn't work.
     
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    Liberals destroy the economy in places like Detroit and then propose improving the economy to fight crime. What's wrong with this picture?
     
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    We have 1.4 million in Federal prisons.
     
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    I know that in the 90s the fattest growing crimes were toxic waste disposal, and white collar crime.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Drugs come in many varieties. We are besieged as a nation by Democrat created laws. Right now they are working hard to pass over 400 more laws. We do not even know the law yet ignorance is no excuse. So a lot go to prison not understanding why.

    What about the 60 percent I speak of?
     
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    30 years back huh?
     
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    Ever notice how libs seem to have zero knowledge of Biden's 1994 Crime Law that resulted in many black people being put in jail.
     
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    Worked for DOJ during the Clinton years.
     
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    The reality of gun laws allowing criminals to control neighborhoods is well demonstrated in Mexico.

    Here is what happens in many countries where criminals own guns and citizens generally speaking don't.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Mexican_drug_war
     
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    I think Biden holds that record.
     
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    Well there aren't a lot of federal crimes, most crime is state and local in this country. But border patrol and drug trafficking ARE federal crimes and we catch a lot of them.

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    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html
     
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