Would you trust Martin Ferguson?

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  1. aussiefree2ride

    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ng-julia-gillard/story-e6freuzr-1226223497107

    JULIA Gillard faces an almost certain leadership challenge by March next year, with deep divisions emerging in her new cabinet.
    Senior cabinet minister Martin Ferguson yesterday dropped a potential bombshell by refusing to publicly back the Prime Minister, claiming his first allegiance was to the Labor Party, The Daily Telegraph reported.


    As the fallout from Ms Gillard's bungled reshuffle continued, senior Labor sources admitted that supporters of the PM were preparing battle plans for a possible challenge from Kevin Rudd.

    And a senior cabinet minister confirmed they thought it likely that a challenge would be brought on by either March or April next year.

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    "There comes a point when you start to think how much longer can this go on," the minister said.

    "In the end it doesn't matter who win or loses, it just has to be resolved."

    Mr Ferguson yesterday responded to reports that he and five other cabinet ministers, including dumped cabinet minister Kim Carr, had switched allegiances from Ms Gillard to Mr Rudd.

    "I'm loyal to the Labor Party," he said.

    "I've got a job as Minister for Energy, Resources and Tourism, which is a pretty demanding workload, and I have a very professional relationship with both Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd.

    "It's about continuing to do the job I have responsibility for. I'm not going to respond to press speculation."

    His response echoed the equivocation used by both Ms Gillard and Mr Rudd in recent days about whether they liked each other.

    Senior government sources said last night the suggestion Mr Ferguson and Senator Carr had switched from Ms Gillard to Mr Rudd was "ridiculous" because it had already been assumed by most in the caucus that they were already in the Rudd camp.

    Robert McClelland, who was sacked as attorney-general but remained in the cabinet following the intervention of the NSW right faction, yesterday made a rare appearance on cable television to publicly support Ms Gillard.

    He said Ms Gillard had "my full support".

    "She's got a new ministry and they're all very keen, of course, to get on with their new jobs," he told Sky News. He then praised Nicola Roxon, the new Attorney-General, and said she would "do an outstanding job".

    However, colleagues of Mr McClelland said he was "deeply unhappy" about being dumped and would probably back Mr Rudd in a leadership challenge.

    New Health Minister Tanya Plibersek declined to say if Senator Carr would be working behind the scenes to help topple Ms Gillard.

    "The government is strong and united," Ms Plibersek said.

    "Your speculation about the internal workings of the government are not of interest to me today."

    The Daily Telegraph revealed five weeks ago that senior backers of Mr Rudd were urging him to launch an early challenge, believing that he should have struck in November, or even earlier, when the polls were more dire.

    The reports at the time were publicly dismissed by a number of key Labor MPs. However, several MPs contacted yesterday, who had previously pledged support for Ms Gillard, conceded there has been a push under way behind the scenes for months and confirmed the story was correct at the time but its publication had "spooked" supporters.

    While not claiming they had switched their support, they said the issue needed to be resolved one way or the other in the new year.

    "I believe Kevin will challenge. Whether he will have the numbers ... " one Gillard supporter said.

    Mr Rudd's backers, who include MPs from both left and right factions from NSW, Victoria and South Australia, said there was no urgency about a return to Mr Rudd but said they believed the botched reshuffle had swung more numbers behind him.

    They dismissed reports that any ministers had been offered promotions by Mr Rudd in return for their support.

    I seem to remember pledges of loyalty for the leader of the ALP made by others red haired fruit loops.
     
  2. dumbanddumber

    dumbanddumber New Member

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    Julia has done her job she willingly or unwillingly sold us into financial slavery with her carbon tax.

    Job done.

    OHH and lets not forget she gave the IMF a $6.8 billion dollar xmas present.

    This puppet isn't needed anymore so yeah i wouldn't be suprised if she was given the boot, since she is very unpopular with the oz electrolate for her political suicidal lies and deception.

    I forgot to add that aren't they all puppets that yield to the international bankers.
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    It will be interesting to see who the faceless men nominate to lead the ALP, and therefore the country. No ALP leader can ever be a "leader" in the true sense of the word, they all owe their puppet masters their position, and the puppet masters always claim their pound of flesh.
     
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    Why do you think that repeating a lie over and over again will impress anybody? Your mistake has been explained to you several times. Ignoring advice is not a very smart thing to do.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/4678443-post10.html

    It is also not a good idea to simply parrot what Tony Abbot tells you. He is usually wrong and constantly changing his mind
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e-beggars-belief/story-e6frgd0x-1226187078524
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-of-the-eurozone/story-fn59nsif-1226192349016

    Deliberately lying like this - when you know you are wrong because it has been explained to you several times is a very very childish thing to do.
     
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    bugalugs Banned

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    Is this "faceless men" like Arbib and Shorten? The 2 blokes whose mugs are never off the tellly? Hardly "faceless"

    Yes - leaving your bizarre Shakespearean analogies aside - no ALP leader can ever be a "leader" in the true sense of the word as the ALP is a Party with very strict party rules.

    Julia may or may not remain leader (personally - I would be very surprised if she were replaced before the next election) - but in the end - it doesn't really matter much. Labor is a party with policies chosen by the party (policies like putting a price on carbon - which was taken to the last election)

    More interest is who the new Liberal leader will be. When will Tony be dumped by the "faceless men" of the Coalition? His complete nonsense of the last week and his "I want Nauru" tantrum has even brought old heads like Downer and Ruddock out of the woodwork to talk against him.

    Time to put your hand up again Malcolm.
     
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    Ziggy Stardust Well-Known Member

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    If the ALP kick out yet another incumbent PM they can kiss goodbye any chance of re-election.

    As much as any of the ALP may dislike the Gillard, they do like being in government. Might as well just hand over the government to Abbott on a silver platter.

    That "minister" is right, it doesn't matter who wins or loses, the ALP will be screwed either way and Coalition will win in a landslide.

    Why the hell would you replace one PM who's low in the polls, with a PM that you dropped just what... a year and a half ago? Because he was so ridiculously unpopular with both the public AND the party?

    I mean it is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

    No, I can't imagine even in my wildest dreams that this will happen. Barring something utterly unforseeable on the scale of an alien invasion, or a revelation that Gillard is a closet Nazi, or something equally extraordinary.

    These kinds of articles are just stirring the pot, it's the kind of bullocks that people love to read and so journalists will do their best to create the story and disgrunteld backbenchers or ex-cabinet members will do their equal best to oblige. But when it comes to it, even being on the backbench is far better than being in opposition, and they know it.
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    You know as well as most people that the ALP is comprised of fueding factions, clamouring puppeteers and perpetual internal power struggle. Martin Ferguson initially couldn`t bring himself to back the out of favor dead chestnut horse, this speaks volumes in itself. Ferguson knows that the writing is on the wall for another failed ALP puppet PM. An ALP PM, being indebted to their power broker benefactors, can never govern in their own right, they owe too much to too many, but this is the structure of the ALP.
     
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    Ziggy Stardust Well-Known Member

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    And what?

    Any leader of a political party is "indebted" to the people who voted him/her into that position. No leader can govern "in their own right", they are all subject to their caucus.

    Gillard leads a minority government anyway.
     
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    Gillard was initially, only weeks subsequent to her declaring her full support for Kevin Rudd, NOMINATED for the position of PM by the back room boys, with their back door deals. The fact that Julia Gillard leads a minority Govt. is entirely her own doing, or rather, the doing of her puppeters.
     

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