WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

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  1. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And, you have proof of this "blackmail" where? I just listened to Michael Medved, on the radio, a conservative talk show host, who said the best explanation of this is an editorial in the Wall Street Journal. [The WSJ, as you may know, is a conservative newspaper, owned by Murdoch, the same guy who owns Fox News.] According to Medfed, the Ukrainian prosecutor that Biden (and most of our European allies) wanted fired was BEFORE the investigation into the Ukrainian energy company upon whose board the Biden kid sat on. The Journal apparently took the position that Trump overstepped his bounds. He apparently brought up "Joe" eight times in the conversation.
    I watched this go on - juggling the time line to support a desired narrative - through some eight Benghazi investigations. Your side needs a new "modus operandi."
     
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    So now it turns out that the Ukraininan Prosecuter was investigating Burisma the company who was paying Biden's son $50K a mo. So Biden threatens to withold a billion dollars in US aid to Ukraine unless the Prosecuter is fired. Here is Joe bragging about it..... Now this is collusion!
     
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    He admit to withholding the funds til the prosecutor was fired. He resigned, the investigation was killed there after and reopened in 2018
     
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    a) I think he did that as the "policy" of the U.S. government. But, by all means, check it. b) the WSJ report apparently says that the prosecutor was fired, at our request and our allies requests, for NOT investigating. The investigation of the energy company, upon whose board Biden's son sat, came AFTER that particular prosecutor was fired.
     
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    You just keep telling that version of the story and while you are at it, explain the $1.5 billion “private equity investment” to Hunter Biden’s wealth management fund from the state-owned Bank of China,
    • Hunter Biden and his partners created several LLCs involved in multibillion-dollar private equity deals with Chinese government-owned entities.
    • The primary operation was Rosemont Seneca Partners - an investment firm founded in 2009 and controlled by Hunter Biden, John Kerry's stepson Chris Heinz, and Heniz's longtime associate Devon Archer. The trio began making deals "through a series of overlapping entities" under Rosemont.
    • In less than a year, Hunter Biden and Archer met with top Chinese officials in China, and partnered with the Thornton Group - a Massachusetts-based consultancy headed by James Bulger - son nephew of famed mob hitman James "Whitey" Bulger (h/t @Guerrilla_Magoo for the correction).
    • According to the Thornton Group's Chinese-language website, Chinese executives "extended their warm welcome" to the "Thornton Group, with its US partner Rosemont Seneca chairman Hunter Biden (second son of the now Vice President Joe Biden."
    • Officially, the China meets were to "explore the possibility of commercial cooperation and opportunity," however details of the meeting were not published to the English-language version of the website.
    • "The timing of this meeting was also notable. It occurred just hours before Hunter Biden’s father, the vice president, met with Chinese President Hu Jintao in Washington as part of the Nuclear Security Summit," according to Schweizer.
    • Perhaps most damning in terms of timing and optics, just twelve days after Hunter and Joe Biden flew on Air Force Two to Beijing, Hunter's company signed a "historic deal with the Bank of China," described by Schweizer as "the state-owned financial behemoth often used as a tool of the Chinese government." To accommodate the deal, the Bank of China created a unique type of investment fund called Bohai Harvest RST (BHR). According to BHR, Rosemont Seneca Partners is a founding partner.
     
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    Not exactly. Apparently, according to a WSJ report, the prosecutor Biden wanted fired was the prosecutor BEFORE the one who investigated the company
    If you are advocating an investigation of Biden and son for illegal acts...why don't you call Trump, convey your probable cause and he can pass it onto federal law enforcement authorities, to decide whether or not to launch the investigation? Or, I guess, he could call his personal lawyer.
     
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    I didn't say there was "collusion" in the law. Try again....
     
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    I'd have to check that. Apparently, according to the WSJ editorial, the reason our government and the governments of many of our Western European allies for wanting him out was because he was NOT investigating anyone. The investigation into the energy company, upon whose board Biden's son sat, was AFTER he'd left, by his successor. Biden's withholding the money was consistent with our government's policy. Trump's reasons may be similar, but the "whistleblower" story has now cast doubt on his motivations. Perhaps, we'll learn more with Thursday's testimony of the Acting DNI to Congress?
     
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    Who are those?
     
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    We won't know until Trump stops acting illegally and hands over the whistleblower's report to Congress... like the law says. That's when Congress can start investigating who is guilty of what.
     
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    As I said, you don't even have a name to attach to this, and quite frankly, I'm a bit skeptical of anonymous sources. What I will say is that this attention on the Ukraine is very suspicious, and I wouldn't put it past the DNC to use it in order to get Biden out of the race so Warren can be crowned with the nomination.

    You can ask all of these questions, and I'm sure they seem important to you. The only problem is that Biden and his bribery of the Ukraine govt. is now in the headlines, and it will remain there until he is gone.
     
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    They should be important to every American. Perhaps, we'll hear more on Thursday, when the Acting DNI testifies before Congress? So...you think the DNC called Trump and asked him to call the new President of the Ukraine, to ask him to investigate Biden, in order to get him to get out of the race and allow Warren the nomination? Interesting theory.
     
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    Nope he was conducting the investigation. Yes some thought he wasn’t aggressive enough...
     
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    And again and again lefty cant find a crime trump committed so they accuse him of what they in fact did. Amazing.
     
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    There's that small problem of crying wolf once too many times, so what you think should be important is now just one more pair of soiled underwear thrown in the hamper along with the rest of the things that turned out to be lies.
     
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    They truly don't understand how these media lies effect people. I have been saying the same thing for almost 6 years now...

    "Every time one of these lies comes out, whatever group of people was lied about starts ABSOLUTELY DESPISING the Democrat Party because of the Progressives/Communists"

    GamerGate is what did it for me, right there in front of me were 100% absolutely, unquestionable lies. I was shocked, how could they be lying so blatantly right in front of me? Then create the most insanely sideways answers in order to rationalize.....

    This has happened time and time again, each time another 10,000 - 50,000 Americans begin to ABSOLUTELY DESPISE the Progressives/Communists who they see control this narrative in the aforementioned direction.

    Think about it, which story since he was elected has actually created more Democrat voters?

    Now how about Trump? This Ukraine thing will find another 50,000 - god knows how many people who say "That's it, I have had it with these lies!"

    2020 is going to be pretty funny
     
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    They tell lies that their viewers want to believe. It's like the russian conspiracy story that everybody was going crazy over. Mueller's final unredacted report was going to put Trump behind bars! Now suddenly everybody talks about Ukraine instead of Russia. By next month they'll be screaming about something else and will have completely forgotten about Ukraine.

    The only thing left is to laugh at them now.
     
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    A die hard liberal is someone who believes Ukraine put Hunter Biden on the board of directors of a Ukraine energy company because of his expertise in natural gas.
     
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    Then either I misinterpreted Medved or Medved misinterpreted the WSJ. Do you have a link to our source?
     
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    No reaction from Trump's supporters. So, I will. After my profound analysis, I guess Trump's fans were rendered speechless.

    “The final key to the way I promote is bravado, Trump said, explaining truthful hyperbole. "I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.”

    Trump thinks of himself as an emperor. He doesn't feel he has to answer to the American people.

    Questioned Thursday about conversations with Ukraine, and about whether he spoke about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Trump deflected.

    "It doesn't matter what I discussed," Trump said. "But I will say this: somebody ought to look into Joe Biden's statement, because it was disgraceful."

    "I didn't pressure Ukraine, but I could have."

    “If a Republican ever did what Joe Biden did, if a Republican ever said what Joe Biden said, they’d be getting the electric chair by right now,” Trump said. Now that is funny. Sometimes Trump gets a little carried away with this truthful hyperbole stuff.

    Trump has never explained what Joe Biden did wrong. Trump has never explained what Hunter Biden did wrong. Trump's closest advisors have never explained what the Bidens did wrong. The White House has never explained what the Bidens did wrong.

    Trump wanted Hunter Biden investigated. Trump's supporters on this thread cannot tell me what Hunter did wrong.

    We all know what Trump did wrong and why he is trying to divert attention to the Bidens. Trump asked a foreign government to interfere in our Presidential election on his behalf and used military aid as an inducement. Trump has virtually admitted it.
     
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    Great, now in ten words or less tell us what Hunter did wrong.
     
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    Are you for real?
     
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    We would know by now if his daddy didn’t coerce Ukrainian President to fire the general prosecutor who was in charge of the investigation! What Biden did is called in the US obstruction of justice and abuse of power.

    :deadhorse:
     
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    I don’t know, I didn’t see the WSJ story
     
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    My mistake...that should have been "your source" - i.e. that the prosecutor that Biden wanted fired was the same one that was investigating the Ukrainian energy company.
     

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