WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

Post his profit for the day as evidence to back your claim

 

You "heard!!" ! Tell you what my neighbor "heard " from a friend at his college reunion. He "heard " that Donnald, Guiliani, Judge Moore and Epstein were regularly bonking 13 and 14 year old girls.

Ok now we address what you heard".

Could be true but:
-1 Did he violate any US laws?
-2 Any proof that he is the only one who has done that? I there an effect on the US.

If the answer to item 2a is yes then charge him, arrest him, jail him
If the answer to item a is yes then what did we do with the other guilty jerks? Any answer to item 2b.

 

Ok but we need to heard the details or see the transcripts. Unfortunately the AJ Barr is apparently interfering with the IG and preventing the complaint to get resolved.

 

That we know off. There is the question if that Ukrainian oligarch who owns that company that little Hunter Biden worked for committed a crime in Ukraine. Prezident Voloydko Zenelskiy is know to have connections with oligarchs but he ran and received 73% of the vote on an anti corruption platform. So wee will see.

 

It is not a crime. And It is unlawful for American citizens to bribe foreign leaders. If Trump believes that Biden Junior used his influence as a bribe so that his company would profit I don't see a problem with it.

 

LOL. You should learn the difference between a claim and an opinion.

 

For your entertainment:



Uncle Joe blackmailed Ukraine, threatening to withhold US aid if they didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden's antics. Schiff should investigate.

 

Glad to see trump try to normalize relations with Ukraine after the Obama admin turned their back on them, while being more flexible with Putin, and then threaten to without aid if they did not stop certain investigations.

Thank you president trump

 

So your argument seems to be: It might not be fake.

Given the track record, I'll assume fake news until something real, rather than innuendo, is brought forward.

 

If this were Obama, we would never have heard about any of it.

 

Pressuring a foreign government to look for dirt on his opponent?

We need to stop acting as if everybody here were brain-dead. Trump wasn't looking for information on Mitch McConnell, or Paul Manafort. He was looking for information on the person who, in his mind, poses the greatest threat to his re-election efforts.

That's what has been reported. So far, everything that has been reported, short of seeing the actual complaint, has been found to be accurate. And he has done nothing to disprove it but exactly the contrary. We know there was a whistleblower report, and that he is refusing to turn it over to Congress as demanded by law. If Trump had acted properly, he would have driven to the House Intelligence Committee and delivered it himself by now (alegorically speaking).

 

I'm totally not getting where the "interfere in our election" is coming from.

 

If that were the only motivation, step one: give the whistleblower complaint to Congress. As the law demands.

These arguments by Trump cultists assume that we are all brain-dead. They may give them some comfort, but it won't erase facts.

 

Absolutely! And the excuses by the right "oh... he was just concerned about Joe Biden maybe acting illegally", require the assumption that those who listen to it are complete morons. It was definitely extortion and abuse of power.

 

Think "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you find the 30 thousand emails..." Except "if you're listening" turns into a direct phone call. And "I hope" turns into "you better look for something, or you're not getting the $250 million" which Congress appropriated to fend off a Russian invasion.

It's abuse of power, it's extortion, and it's usurpation of the powers ascribed to Congress.

And not turning over to Congress the whistleblower report is Sedition.

 

Believing "Russia if your listening..." more or less discounts you from offering any sort political commentary. That's a dummy alert. If you buy that, you are not worth listening to.

Anyway the question was to Sandy, was what about this call to the Ukraine was interfering in our election. I doubt he'll have any better answer than you will.

 

The investigation into Biden's company had been over for a year when Joe went there.
His pressure was for not cracking down on gov't corruption and was well supported.

 

I don't have the facts yet but I approve of withholding foreign aid. It should be illegal. I might have heard things wrong but my understanding was that the person threatening foreign aid was Biden when he was VP. He even bragged about it. You apparently have some facts that I don't have.

 

Bummer. Maybe you guys should've started out with that instead of bitching about how he was feeding the fish in Japan or how Melania Trump decorated the White House for Christmas.

 

Sounds like something I would have written with immense sarcasm. So I'm not sure if I should point out how idiotic that comment is, or give it a "like"

 

No personal gain.

 

First of all, Ukraine became the victim of corrupt Biden, who forced it to fire the prosecutor in exchange for loan guarantees, a whole $1 billion of potential taxpayers money.
Desperate Ukraine complies and forces the prosecutor, which prevents Joes son from being prosecuted. Isn’t that a screaming case of international corruption? Wasn’t Biden the one who broke all rules and norms when he did that?

Now again Trump demanded Ukraine to provide information about Biden’s dealings. Trump eventually did release the funds to Ukraine.

I think it is Ukraine’s duty to provide all information it could. First of all - because this would prevent future abuses, like Biden’s, and second of all - shouldn’t the US taxpayers investigate Biden for using his position to shield his son from a crime investigation?

You’ve got to be honest here - Biden is in the wrong and we do have the right to know and even investigate/punish such behavior.

 

How can Schiff investigate if Trump is criminally withholding the whistleblower's report?

Do you think Trump committed this crime just to protect Biden?

 

Well yes, in the world of logic! But that not what you deal with in the leftist world..

 

The report is not needed if the rule of "Reckon" is invoked.. Law can be tough, that's why we have rhetoric and propaganda for those times it gets in the way of peoples defense..