Wyoming is losing people.

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  1. Bearack

    Bearack Well-Known Member

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    Yep. Blue states attract the best of the world....

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    And also occurring in Colorado. What they create in these liberal utopia is a great divide of super rich and people who cannot afford the cost of living.
     
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    That is why i moved away from the Portland Oregon area. My employer of 15 years could not pay me enough to keep up with the cost of living. Not to mention the diminishing quality of life in the area.
     
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    In all honesty, I think that when very liberal people start businesses, they may remain left for awhile and once they see how hard it is and how difficult government makes it they transition to more fiscally conservative.
     
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    Really, well that another THING you don't know anything about ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    WRONG, again, it was 19 in 1973 lowered from 21 and 18 to serve/sell alcohol..

    You just make this stuff up to suit your narratives? :wierdface:

    U.S. history of alcohol minimum purchase age by state
     
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    Liberals can still put things on the ballot down there and that is worrisome. We don't need big cities dictating the rest of the state.
     
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    Places like Idaho are beautiful because most of the land has been preserved in National Parks. Right wingers have long agitated to give up the protected lands to clear cutting and mining. If it wasn't for liberal environmentalists, agitating for the continued protection of those National Parks, Idaho would end up looking like Pennsylvania.
     
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    Wrong!!! Very little of Idaho is national park land.

    There is however lots of national forest and BLM land.


    You are right though environmentalists got logging mostly banned in the national forest. That act has devastated rural communities in the west.
     
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    You're ideology does not square with the reality on the ground.

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/tax-burden-by-state/
     
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    I just want to show the actual graphic of your excellent post. Credit: jcarlilesiu

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    Uh... you don't see agriculture as "industry".

    Do people from the cities just think that all the food pops out of the ground and magically appears on grocery store shelves?
    What does tax policy have to do with it?

    The claim is the left leaning states are more economic power houses than right wing.

    That's simply untrue.

    GDP creation should be evaluated on a per capitalist basis. More people by default means more economic generation. However, that doesn't equal per person production and economic development.

    When you evaluate state economic GDP PER CAPITA, the red states generally dominate. Per person, they generate more than their blue counterparts.

    Also, most blue states are only blue in a small urban area and red outside of that. Much of those states economic growth is from the red areas.
     
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    I agree. I've always been an Independent, but I used to have a lot more warm fuzzy liberal leaning ideologies..... then came reality, the truth about taxes, business ownership, and the real life experiences of seeing exactly how toxic and cancerous some of those liberal ideologies can be......
     
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    Forests, parks, monuments, BLM, it is all protected land.

    It wasn't the protection of the forests, that killed off logging jobs. It was mechanization. Now days, two men can do in a day, what it used to take 100 men all week.
     
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    Whatever. Idaho has been VERY conservative for decades and they have maintained a jewel. Take a look at leftist California (an epic EPA disaster) and tell me how well the left maintained that jewel of the past.
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    Idaho is about to RAVAGED. Californian ex-pats will accept no less. They are like locusts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_in_California
     
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    Umm all of that is false.. well almost all of it.
    Fact is forest service land and blm land is not protected land.
    Monuments and parks are.

    Forest service and blm lands are generally open for the public to use pretty much however they want, within reason.

    Lot's of mills went out of business immediately after the flow of federal logs stopped. It was devastating to towns like
    Forks WA
    Glide Oregon
    Klickitat WA
    La Grande ,OR

    And countless others.

    I know these are all just stupid hick towns to you, but the people there are just as valuable as me and you. Liberals destroyed their lives.

    I am as anti logging as anyone. You may not believe that but i don't care, it's true.
    I grew up in Washougal WA. At the time a mill town, paper and logging was the name of the game. The trees came from the Gifford Pinchot national forest. And from state znd private forest land. Often while hiking i came across logging equipment, the temptation to destroy said equipment was always in the front of my mind, but i never did it. I saw logging equipment as nothing but dead salmon and destroyed habitat. I hate logging!
    But you know what? The world doesn't run on what i think.
    Necessary or not, halting logging on federal land was devastating to logging communities. Yes automation had an effect to but it never put a lumber mill out of business.
     
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    Even on a per capital basis, the blue states tend to out perform the red ones.

    The real world says otherwise. I happen to come from Boulder Colorado. Colorado was the first state to give women the right to vote. In Boulder, at the University, the first professor they hired was a woman. They created a community hospital for the express purpose of having a hospital that had no connections to a church. Even the idea of the need to protect the land was there in the beginning. Boulder, the Athens of the west, was designed to be a liberal oases from the beginning, 150 years ago, or so.

    Here we are today and Boulder has one of the highest concentrations of college educated people in the world, the highest concentrations of national laboratories, and high tech companies. It is in the top ten of economies in the country, both in terms of wages, and in terms of economic output. They have innovative companies in aerospace, computer technology, medical and pharmaceutical equipment, scientific instruments, and food production. Tofu was invented there, as well as organic farming, as a thing.

    Boulder is also the least religious city in the country, and the most liberal. There is no place on Earth, where conservatives outperform Boulder. Did I also mention that the people of Boulder tend to be significantly healthier, and in better shape than the national average. And better looking.
     
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    How many people from boulder have the moral charecter to join the armed forces andvdo something other than for themselves?

    I'll take Colorado springs thank you very much..
    Ohh and as backwards as it is, I'll take Roseburg or Longview over Portland any day.

    Good companies moved to boulder so their employees had a good place to live...

    So what...
     
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    Does it hurt to be this wrong?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_cover_by_state_and_territory_in_the_United_States

    Pennsylvania has 18% more forest than Idaho.
     
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    This is bad news for the GOP. Wyoming is heavily Republican and it's also the least populated state. The GOP can't rely on the popular vote, so they only have the EC. Their strategy has always been to depend on these big, empty states so that their smaller base has a larger voice.

    The GOP has won the popular vote only once in the last 30 years. This will be their demise.
     
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    Mostly due to lies spread by the media.

    And that's only what 5 presidents worth?

    All of which won as incumbent.

    Was Ford the last 1 term president?
     
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    No. It's because the GOP is the party of religious lunacy and science denialism, on top of everything else wrong with them.
     
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    You mean science denialism like men and women being biologically different and not a choice?

    Ohh and your hatred? Duly noted
     
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    Much of the protections of the natural in the Northwest came from efforts of the Republican governor Tom McCall, who famously said, more or less, "business is welcome in Oregon, but only if you do it our way. He is the reason the Oregon coast is all public land.

    Lady Bird Johnson brought in a lot of money and political power, to the environmental movement. In the northwest part of California is preserved land. The entire watershed, from mountain peaks to ocean shores, the entire areas is home to the tallest trees in the world. The argument at the time was, 99.9% of old growth has been harvested. Should we not preserve what little we have left. That, and the sense of awe, one tends to feel in an old growth redwood forest.

    Anyhow, corporate farming has driven families off of farms. They adapt and move on. There are places in Oregon, poor places, where the people are crying for logging jobs that left 20-30 years ago. It is kind of like they are stuck in a rut and either don't know how or just don't want to adapt.
     
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    The GOP denies climate science. And, yes, I hate unproven beliefs that affect legislation and my life.
     

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