Yanks To The Rescue

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  1. Striped Horse

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    With all the balls about Russia influencing the US presidential election that has occupied the media and the US secret state for the past two years - and led to anger, anguish and teeth gnashing from many members of this forum - the following old article unveils another story, a true one for a change, told by boastful insiders, about how the US influenced a critical election in Russia.

    Election rigging hypocrisy and double standards are just as much part of the American culture, as Disney films, MacDonald's burgers and Coca cola is.

    https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/19...d-yeltsin-win-the-1996-presidential-election/
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    In the US government, hypocrisy rules, and most americans are oblivious to it.
     
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    Odd that your story requires me to assume that the 4 advisors were employees of the US Government and not experts in their field(s) hired by the Russians to do a job.

    By the way, the extent of any Russian collusion has been relegated to some meme's, right? Was your vote swayed by a meme you saw on facebook? I've never met anyone who was influenced by a meme into voting for the "other guy".
     
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    Agreed. It's quite astonishing too.
     
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    Let's start with facts shall we.

    Firstly, it wasn't "my story" but Time Magazine's story. Secondly, US interference in the Russian election of the Vodka loving Yeltsin is so well known that it shouldn't even be contentious. If you wish, I can help your dilemma a bit by linking other articles (this will have to be tomorrow) from some years ago that likewise reveal that Yeltsin was America's man - and indeed, as corrupt a viper as you're likely to find.

    Let's continue with the facts here too.

    My vote doesn't matter because I'm not an American citizen. I had no card in that awful game.

    I think you also severely underestimate the efficacy of powerfully pushed media and government insider meme's and their influence on group think. Artfully used they have a tremendous impact. The problem I see today is that they are thoroughly artless and full of holes and discrepancies, but they still continue to have a tremendous impact on the group-mind that froths at the mouth to believe them - no matter what weight the evidence has (or in this case doesn't).

    So much for intelligence and objectivity of the average Joe and Jill. Sadly.
     
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    What part of the "Yanks to the Rescue" theme and American political consultants in Russia escaped your keen eyes?

    Are you okay with Russian political consultants working in the USA?

    Well, that's all just theory. The reality is that if the Russians meddle in the Noyabr' midterms we're going to have to wage war on Russia to MAKE them stop.
     
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    Often times there's an element of assumption on my part that is necessary in order to agree with you on anything that I'm just not willing to do, but I do appreciate whatever effort you put into remaining somewhat cordial while talking with someone whom you disagree with.

    "Government insider meme's", "group think", all very ominous, but not likely to be an accurate description of why people voted the way they did. I remember exactly when I decided I was in the "Never Hillary" camp, she responded to a question from Congress asking specifically "Did you wipe your server?" by saying "Like with a cloth or something?" knowing full well what they meant by that question.

    Displaying disdain for the Legislative branch of our Government and an unwillingness to abide by our Judicial branch of Government, Who the hell does she think she is that she is qualified to serve in the Executive branch of our Government? She is no one. Meme's be damned, nothing on Earth would make me vote for her.

    Democrats feel the same way about Hillary.

    If any of the votes were swayed toward a side, do you think there are any votes that were swayed from Hillary's camp to Trump's? You ever met a Hillary fan? No amount of reason presented by Trump fans can cause them to ponder anything unHillary for even a second, so fervently they love her, there is no way that there are any of them being swayed by a meme.
     
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    Here in America, just because someone is a political consultant doesn't mean they are employed by the Government.

    If the Russian consultants are private citizens fulfilling a contract with a legitimate American entity, either political or private company, sure, I'm fine with that.
     
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    I'm not. If I can identify them I'll try to catch them unawares and kill them.
     
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    Oblivious still ain't that bad, the alternative is much less innocent.
     
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    True of every government everywhere, I'm afraid.
     
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    I just wish America was normal.
    Instead of racist, sexist, insecure and litigious.

    Do you know that some ****ing American has the cheek/audacity to say Londonstan?
    But ignores all the racism in American history and present?
    so IDK, maybe the world should show these processed cheese people what is acceptable.
     
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    America is normal. It simply wears its beliefs on its sleeve while Euros are more likely to hold these things inside.
     
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    If I had Russian language skills and sufficient spy skills to infiltrate and take out at least a few of the twelve indicted Russians, I would. I hope Trump is sending assassins at this moment.
     
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    As far as I know there was widespread election fraud in Russia in 1996. So, those advisers weren't worth anything.
     
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    What is odd is those who go into abject denial mode when they come across information that conflicts with various "necessary illusions".

    It is not some big secret that the US is one of the biggest meddlers in the democratic processes of foreign nations.
     
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    Good, bad, worth anything, indifferent, paid by what entity, doesn't matter. Any Russian political operative in the USA should be made dead post haste.

    And I would hope the Russians would pay the USA the same honor for USA political operatives on Russian soil.
     
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    1) You have no idea what the meddling in Russian elections acomplished
    2) The Russian meddling did not amount to anything (change the results)

    None of this changes the fact that there was meddling in the democratic process of another nation.
     
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    I doubt russian meddling had any impact. They spent way too little on social media. Where I work, we spend that in just a few days. I bet Dems and Reps spend at lest 10,000 times more on social media ads than russians.
    As for American meddling in Russian elections in 1996 - I don't know if those people were officially sent by the US government to help Yeltsin, but I do know that election fraud was massive and widespread. If the job was done properly Yeltsin wouldn't need to resort to that.
     
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    Even the Justice department who is claiming "meddling" says that it did not have any effect on the results.

    What I claim is that the whole "meddling" claim is a bunch of nonsense.

    If the facebook ads were "propaganda" - then the Russiagate fanatics might have a case - but they were not. The FB ads were "the Truth".

    How is the voter knowing "The truth" prior to casting a vote - harmful to our electoral process ?

    Here are some examples of cited as "election hacking" "harming our electoral system"

    A pick of Bernie Sanders with the caption "Clinton foundation is a problem". Did Bernie not say this ? Of course he did. How is this ad then "harming our electoral process"

    Another "Hillary has a 69% dissaproval rating among veterans" ... another "FACT".

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ds-facebook-targeting/?utm_term=.35d8c3e59bed


    If you want a real example of foreign actors harming our electoral process. Look no further than the MSM.

    https://alethonews.com/2018/04/23/msnbc-where-journalism-goes-to-die/

    MSNBC is owned by international financiers. These make up the Board of Directors who select the editor who controls content.

    Why are these individuals not being indicted ?

    Focusing on the Russian facebook ads - in relation to manipulation of the electorate - is like focusing on a rain drop in the midst of a Hurricane. Something is really rotten in the State of Denmark (hopefully you get the Hamlet reference).

    In 2013 it became legal for our intelligence agencies to create and disseminate propaganda on US citizens. How is this not meddling by foreign actors given the agenda of these agencies is influenced - if not controlled by the Establishment elite politicians and bureaucrates - who are influenced by these same international financiers ?
     
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    I've been to White America, the most 'normal' America there is.
    What's so normal about White people dressing a certain way and being racist amongst themselves?
     
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    If USA public education was any good there would be no worries about FB propaganda. There would be confidence that a HS grad could see their way through propaganda to make their own conclusion, and make their conclusion well.
     
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    Americans are too ashamed to talk about body functions and sex.
    But us in Europe, Asia and Africa, are fine with it.
    The Middle East is a powder keg, but so is America.
    You're 3, 000 miles due west of me, Iran is 3, 000 miles due east, as far as I can tell, you're both ****ed up when it comes to sex and religion.
    Prove me wrong, don't be weird.
     
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    My own American brother now reminds me of

    so America can go **** itself, it's 2018. Bunch of Racist/Misogynist white people.

    Stormy Daniels was stripping in a strip bar in a Ohio and got arrested for stripping, so just stay in America, Europe, Africa, Asia, don't want weird Americans being weird.

    Arresting a stripper stripping in a strip club for stripping, that is not normal.
     
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    Does the USA having troops in Syria and providing weapons also to pursuing killing Syrian government forces and to try to overthrow Syria's President constitute "inferring in Syria's elections?"

    THAT is how absurd the ranting about Russia messing around online in our election truly is.

    When there is evidence that Russian troops were assassinating Democrats, Russian jets were bombing Hilary Clinton campaign headquarters, and Russia was providing sniper rifles, heavy machine guns, mortars and cannons to the Trump campaign by the truckloads, THEN you made a case of "Russia interfering in our election."
     

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