Yanukovych Defends Ukraine EU Trade Pact as Competitiveness Lags

he does for sure

 

you have missed my point totally , Canada is part of Anglo - Saxon world in order to become a new Canada you needs to be an Anglo - Saxon nation. Soviet could not compere with USA with out science and high tech industries . 4 tigers have had the lowest start and the local pro-American Hitlers in power(+ it was a corner of the world) , en perfect combination for offshoring /outsourcing ...in 19 91 this model was impossible to imply in Europe

 

“European Canada” is just an allegory. I meant that some Ukrainian roarers told that “Ukraine will become successful and prosperous country when we will get an independence!” but it seems they really overestimated their potential.

Well, it is good for “tigers” that they have as good patrons as US and UK. But take South Korea. They created strong economy and pretty successful country despite post-war collapse, aggressive and mad neighbor (to read - big military spending), mighty competitors as Japan in this corner of the world.

 

More than 100,000 Ukrainians marched against a decision by President Viktor Yanukovych’s government to cut off preparations for a free-trade pact with the European Union and seek closer ties with Russia.

Throngs of demonstrators, many of them families with children, flowed through downtown Kiev, the capital. Opposition leaders, including Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the head of jailed ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko’s party, led the march after the former prime minister urged people to take to the streets.

Tensions have been rising since the government halted preparations for the EU deal on Nov. 21, saying it wanted to focus on reviving trade with Russia and other ex-Soviet states. Protesters have since poured into Kiev’s Independence Square, the focal point of Orange Revolution protests nine years ago that overturned a Yanukovych presidential election victory opposition parties said was marred by corruption and fraud.

“Our task is to sign the agreement with the EU,” Yatsenyuk told a rally in European Square today, near Independence Square. “We want to go to Europe. This is our future.”

The protests underscore a long-standing dispute over where Ukraine belongs in Europe between its more pro-EU west and the Russian-speaking east and south. The EU and Russia each buy about a quarter of Ukrainian exports and have been jostling over relations with the country of 45 million -- the second-most populous former Soviet state -- which is a crucial transit route for energy shipments.

The two sides accused each other of blackmail, and Russian President Vladimir Putin said the EU is encouraging protests.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...otest-as-cabinet-snubs-eu-in-russia-turn.html

 

no they don't overestimated their potential, geopolitics play hard ball against them, new France? we have one who needs a new one?

Japan was in 40-70s something like china today

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nightmare ....

 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25100127

 

Ukraine failed to sign a landmark trade pact with the European Union, in a bid to improve ties with Russia, frustrating officials from the 28-nation bloc who couldn’t say when the deal may go ahead.

Ukraine’s government halted preparations last week to sign the association agreement and free-trade accord, and no breakthroughs were made at a two-day summit in the Lithuanian capital of Vilnius. Two other former Soviet republics, Georgia and Moldova, initialed similar treaties today, with a view to signing them next year.

Ukraine’s “leadership chose a way going nowhere,” said President Dalia Grybauskaite of Lithuania, which holds the EU’s rotating presidency. “I see a defeat on Ukraine’s part to seek a better life. The current decision by the leadership is to halt progress.”

Grybauskaite said “no negotiations” on the deal took place at the summit, “because the Ukrainian leadership came with a very clear decision not to sign.”

The political and trade deal would have locked Ukraine, a nation of 45 million and a key energy-transit nation, in the EU’s orbit and had caused friction with neighboring Russia. Yanukovych’s about-face on the EU agreement sparked the biggest street protests since the 2004 Orange Revolution, in which an opposition group including jailed ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko overturned a presidential election initially won by current leader Viktor Yanukovych.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...to-nowhere-as-pact-failure-frustrates-eu.html

 

South Korea “started with a jerk” in the 1960s despite the fact that Japan with its so-called post-war economic miracle became a successful and mighty competitor in this region by then. And now South Korea has a market economy which ranks 15th in the world by nominal GDP and 12th by purchasing power parity (PPP), identifying it as one of the G-20 major economies. You think that Japan wanted it?
After the Korean war South Korea was just a depressed a$$-hole and after the disintegration of the USSR Ukraine had more benefits >

than South Korea in 1953 . South Korea missed the real chance to become another rotten and corrupt pro- American “banana republic” but this country became pretty successful pro -American state with strong economy. And how is Ukraine getting on?


p.s. Old man, what the hell is going on here?! You got second ban within a month. It seems you need a sort of reincarnation. Take new nickname, for example “Ruthenian” and go back.

 

Thousands of Ukrainians protesting the suspension of talks on EU integration filled the iconic Maidan in Kiev despite the ban, and the violent ejection of the rally earlier. Chaotic scenes ensued as a group of ‘provocateurs’ stormed a government building.

18:26 GMT: A Kiev court has imposed a ban on demonstrations in the village that houses the residence of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich. Around 100 motorists reportedly attempted to reach the village located in the Kiev region prior to the ban, but the attempt was thwarted by the police. However, activists who took part in the “protest” drive said on Twitter that they may try to repeat their actions on Monday.

18:15 GMT: Ukraine’s Interior Ministry said that it identified some of the people behind Sunday’s violent clashes in Kiev as radical members of the anarchist “Bratstvo” (“Brotherhood&#8221 party. More than 300 members of the organization took part in riots near the presidential administration building, the ministry said in a statement. It also said one of the leaders of the nationalist party “Svoboda” (“Freedom&#8221 was among the rioters who stormed the Kiev mayor’s office.

17:40 GMT: Germany has urged Ukraine to protect peaceful demonstrators and ensure the people's right to assembly. Germany’s Foreign Minister, Guido Westerwelle, said in a statement that he “vigorously calls on the Ukrainian government to ensure freedom of assembly and to protect the peaceful demonstrators from any kind of intimidation and violence.”
http://rt.com/news/urkaine-eu-protests-updates-548/


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So, does anyone here quite understand what's happening with Ukranian police forces? I mean, why on earth use violence against a dying peaceful protest (just igniting it with new force), then letting a mob take advantage of a hundred unarmed soldiers, then burst out with another cruel retrebution?!! I've heard half a dozen versions, from conspiracy to lack of discipline in police, but all of them are just guesses.

 

Yeah I’ve heard many versions as well. But let’s take lex parsimonia – ‘Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate’ and say that probably we can see there a bad co-ordination and typical local (raz3,14zdyaistvo) slovenliness.

 

ukr REGIONS are very different at the east@west- more different than ONTARIO@QUEBEC

 

exactly-across the center-west part of the country

 

I'm ok with

version, but I'm not sure about Yanukovich's reaction. I mean, when your subordinates "misbehave", you, as a leader have only two options. Either you show a, lets say, military character, regaining order, punishing your own loyal asslickers and maybe even your friends - or a mafioso mentality, like Putin, where publicly backing up "your guys" is most important, even (or especially) when they are overzealous in their haste to please you. On one hand Yanukovich has already critisized Berkut's violence on Maydan (which Putin never did about fight with OMON on Bolotnaya), on the other - I don't yet see actual haste to punish police bureaucrats. This lefts me wonder if there really was "bad coordination and raspizdaystvo", because it would mean that the president of Ukrain is just another "Putin light".

 

the custom union" is a bad idea, Russia should negotiate with the EU about splitting of Ukraine for the returning of its historical territories - DONBASS, KHARKOV as well as Poland, Romania about west Ukraine

 

There is an opinion that Yanukovych and entourage did not give new flats in Kiev to people from “Berkut” because many Ukrainian people, the real and pretty strong Ukrainian opposition including Ukrainian top persons, the deputies, top govt employees etc who share opposition views and approve the agreement with EU, to put it mildly would not have approved this move. Yanukovych’s opponents aren’t a bunch of clowns like so-called Russian “systemic opposition” - KPRF, LDPR, SR etc. But in my view if Yanukovych “wins hands down”, some people from Ukrainian law enforcement have a good chance to get some benefits.
And it is reasonable that Yanukovych doesn’t want to punish people from “Berkut” and other units because they really cover his own as$.
Probably they “poprosili” Koryaka napisat’ “po sobstvennomu zhelaniju” to appease Ukrainian community.>
The chief of police in Kiev resigned
http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/19460911/glava-kievskoj-milicii-podal-v-otstavku

Same sh^t different country.

Ha, what a twist!>
Kyiv Prosecutor's Office launched a criminal case against officers from "Berkut".
http://radiovesti.ru/article/show/article_id/116392

 

For much of the past three weeks, Sergei Veklenko hasn’t given much thought to his clients or the 150 employees of his office supply company. Instead, he’s been out on the frozen streets of Kiev -- protesting to help bring about what he sees as a better future for Ukraine.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-13/ukrainian-life-on-hold-as-fight-for-europe-grips-kiev.html

 

it's important in what capacity,
any Union ,either with the EU, and with CusU,, should some improve ukroeconomy, that in the conditions of unitarity is not good, because metropolis ‘ll get the blanket over itself, and even when the total cumulative improvement occurs-donors- manufacturers should not feel it due to brutally sucking of Kiev ass,
it should be a blank shot, lost chance,
first it has to change the unitarity to the Federation, and then ‘ll calculate the unions

 

Ukraine’s parliament on Thursday adopted a law to free all protesters detained while attending demonstrations in favor of integration with the European Union.

A total of 339 lawmakers out of 367 who attended the session supported the bill, which had been proposed by the opposition, the Ukrinform national news agency reported.

The amnesty also means that no new cases will be opened against Ukrainian pro-EU protesters and that their convictions will be annulled.

Kiev stunned Europe last month by announcing that it was indefinitely postponing the signing of association and trade deals with the EU, opting instead to strengthen ties with the Moscow-led Customs Union.
http://rapsinews.com/legislation_news/20131220/270185652.html

 

are you sure you really understand ukr reality?

 

No, of course not. But I do believe there is any competent person who knows the truth about the ukr reality. Btw maybe you are that person?

 

Of course we not understand .We only know what the worth Ukrainewhore is.Her worth is 15 billion dollars.

 

Ukraine is very different, for example, East hates ukr language and Ukrainian values, the West - on the contrary, admires it,and what you see on American TV one side of the coin, in Kyiv, there is another Maidan supporting Yanukovych, in relation to the Euro Maidan about 40 to 60, Lviv has the same relation 5 to 95, Kharkov 85 to 15

 

Well, I’m sure the information like that might make some men jump. Now all is clear.