Yet Another MASS shooting,this one in ElPaso Texas.

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    What does they've destroyed their environment and their going to destroy ours next mean to you. also in the manifesto He doesn't like the culture because he thinks it's bad for the environment and that ethnicity and culture are joined at the hip. All fairly common assumptions among environmentalists.
     
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    Do US environmentalists think that other cultures do more damage to the environment than US culture? I'm not sure that they do.
     
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    Depends on which one you talk to. And this guy clearly does and said so. Does that make him right of course not But the dude's foundational principle in his manifesto area concoction disconnected and disparate ideas, in many cases half understood, if that, pulled from a variety of sources and assembled together into a rambling and largely intellectual incoherent mess, in order to provide him an excuse to go kill a bunch of people. And that's all the document is, an excuse to kill, trying to read much more into it one way or the other than that is largely a fools errand.
     
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    And from that "incoherent mess" you get that he is an environmentalist?
     
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    Every bit as much that you got that he was a white supremacist.
     
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    Nope there is of course hate speech among others. Fear mongering, etc,etc
     
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    What about anything that someone says that is repeated by someone who carries out an attack? Like Trump for example.
     
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    Well any idiot can quote any idiot which does seem to be the case here.
     
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    So it's only if the person that they quote is an idiot?
     
  10. DavidMK

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    Liberals aren't left wingers.
     
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    What are they then?
     
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    So then you don't actually think that he is an ecoterrorist, just like you don't think that he is a white supremacist?
     
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    Did not say that! Read it again.
     
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    Okay, but is Trump responsible for the attack?
     
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    Today's liberals are left-wingers.
     
  16. DavidMK

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    Centralists. The Left starts at SocDems, just like the Right starts at Conservatives. Dems are left of Repubs and up until a few years ago there wasn't a mainstream leftist movement in America so the perception of liberals in America is off but leftists they aren't. Go to any other country and every liberal party will be talked about like moderate conservatives are here, ot becuase they're not liberal but becuase an actual Left exists.
     
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    No, they aren't. Talk to an actual Leftist about liberals and you'll usually get the same reaction as you would talking to someone on the Right. Liberals being left of everyone to their right is as close to being Leftists as they get.
     
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    Centralists or centrists?
     
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    Okay, but is Trump responsible for the attack?
     
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    He is responsible for contributing to an environment that fosters such behavior!
     
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    Obama is responsible for all black on white crime.
     
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    And so is Barack Obama "responsible for contributing to an environment that fosters such behavior" as the Dallas police shootings?
    Is Bernie Sanders "responsible for contributing to an environment that fosters such behavior" as the Congressional baseball shooting?
    Is AOC "responsible for contributing to an environment that fosters such behavior" as the ICE facility bombing? Or do you have an INSANE DOUBLE STANDARD? I'll be STUNNED if I hear back from you! :roflol:
     
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    Sorry but comparing Trump’s racist xenophobic rhetoric with Obama or Sanders statement is very thin beer and you know it.

    There is a reason mass murders and hate crimes have increased significantly during Trump’s administration.
     
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    Why is it only "rhetoric" with Trump, but it is a "statement" with Obama and Sanders? Also, you didn't include AOC!
     
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    Has to do with frequency and obvious intent in Trump's case to inflame hatred
     

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