Yet more lies + war mongering from the usual suspects..

That is NONSENSE... Muhammed had a treaty with the Jews.. They broke it...

Is that what they teach you in school?

 

there is some debate about that margot as you well know. IIIRC doesn't the concept of taqqiya originate with Mohammed's dealing with the jews?

In any event he murdered all the men, enslaved all their women and children and took all their camels and property.
Fitting punishment or excellent raping and pillaging exercise?

 

Yes the minority muslim Israelis are an excellent example of it not always being true.
Good call there jack.

 

Taqqiya is a Shia practice. The term taqiyya does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence..

The Jews stole the booty.. and broke the treaty ..

 

thank you for the correction on taqqiya.

allow me one for "the jews stole the booty".

while not the most unbiased of sources and tone, I think this describes the events more clearly:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/treaty.html

 

Jonsa, a couple of years ago the BBC did a series of Documentaries on Mohammed. I know I took notes but maybe I put them on paper rather than my computer because I can't find them.

The people who were interviewed were top scholars so although this was all a long time ago, I think we need to give them some credence. I only read the first few paragraphs of what you quoted because there was no resemblance to the documentaries I saw. According to them, it was the Jews themselves who asked Mohammed to be with them as he was a good arbitrator and they and others were involved in constant fights. In Jerusalem he created an early form of democracy where Christians, Jews and Muslims lived by their own rules but met and debated more communal ones. Yes, the issue of where to stand when praying was an issue which appeared to cause friction, possibly he should always have prayed towards Mecca from the beginning. At the same time I recently came across a paper suggesting that it very nearly happened that Jews and Mohammed became part of the same religion - but for the direction of prayer!!

The Documentary dealt with I think three areas where it felt there was popular misconception. One of which I think is this. There was no question that the particular Jewish group in question betrayed Mohammed according to the documentary - so that they put the rest of the people at risk of their lives and yes to steal. According to the documentary Mohammed was not keen on the punishment but I just can't remember what it was. There was one instance where he did less than would normally be expected or maybe he just felt his hands tied. I am not sure. Things were very different then. Jews for instance were stoning people.

They were excellent documentaries as I said with information provided by top scholars. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012mkh7

 

If you are talking about the three part series on the "life of mohammed", I have in my video collection.
I recall it to be a tad different in discussing his treatment of the jewish tribes. I do not recall it changing my opinion on this particular aspect of his story, but I could be wrong as I viewed it some time ago.

I also have a couple of books regarding the history of both pagan and muslim arabia and various other religious histories. As I stated, I am well aware of the biased nature of the "answering islam" site merely provided it as an opposing interpretation/view of the incidents in question.

 

That is interesting. I am pretty certain I gave an accurate general account but would be more so if I had the notes I took. When we see things we are always also influenced by our pre conceived ideas. Apart from hearing often hate speech on the net, I had no other knowledge on him. I can remember I started to watch it for light viewing, then I thought, OMG this is good and then I had to get the pen and paper and take notes it was so good.

I very much remember the bit in question though memory on exact details is lost. If you remember different, I suggest you look again. Obviously you may have interpreted in differently because of your previously beliefs. You may have disagreed with them but the conclusion come to was as I put above. The actual punishment I cannot remember.

 

Treaty or whatever... what he had with the Jews is exactly what he had... for this is no reason to keep a <grudge> for 1400 years.
I was not present then, nor were you!!!!!!!!!! Is this what they taught you in kindergarten?

C 626 The Jewish Tribe of Al-Nadhir crushed and expelled.
C 627 The Jewish Tribe of Qurayza raided by Mohammad, some 800 men beheaded (only one Jew abjuring his religion to save his life.) All the women and children sold as slaves.
C 629 The Jews of Khaybar put to the sword...

This is part of history and you cannot wiggle out of it, not even in school. I think the Jews should no longer suffer the constant Muslim indignation.