No, it's not. My point was that the USA has already made laws criminalizing the abuse of little children, even when it happens in other countries. There is no reason why the United States cannot similarly criminalize abortion.
If the U.S. government can make it illegal for an American citizen to buy sex from children in Thailand, they can also make it illegal for an American woman to buy an abortion in Canada.
factually incorrect as usual, it actually states the law has been passed to ban most abortions, not all and there is no doubt this will be challenged in the Supreme court where it will quite probably be deemed invalid. This law doesn't even have the support of the National Right To Life or the Catholic Church, far from being a victory for pro-life it is causing a general split in the ranks and when put down by the supreme court will set back their campaign by years .. can't wait for that to happen.
so you want more state control over its population then, that is what you are advocating here, and how exactly are you going to know if a woman abroad has had a miscarrige or an abortion .. or is it more the case of presumed guilty. - - - Updated - - - Still off topic
The right to life is perhaps the most fundamental of all human rights, without it all other human rights become rendered meaningless. "First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me." Martin Niemöller, german pastor imprisoned by the nazis
So you admit that you don't care about "saving babies"....just making it LOOK like the US is "more moral" than another country??? - - - Updated - - - Fine, Anders....tell me how you want to prosecute a woman who takes RU-486? Explain how you will get the evidence for a conviction?
And how do you PROVE that in a court of law? How do you obtain the EVIDENCE for a prosecution....specifically???
All woman of course would be required to see a government mandated doctor twice a month who would probe her to see if she was pregnant. Oh and of course the woman would also have to report to the police every time she has sex.
also this would have to include all females who have reached an age where they are menstruating, which could be as young as 10 years old. This would also mean these children would have to undergo scanning before leaving the country, just in case they are pregnant and are leaving to get an abortion in a more enlightened country .. and still the pro-lifers say they are not about control, I wonder how many of them would be up in arms if their 14 year old daughter had to be tested by law, I bet they would be screaming blue bloody murder about infringement of rights.
Eventually it comes down to that....despite Anders denial, read what he wrote about "scannings at airports" and "neighbors reporting". Sure sounds like Nazi Germany to me. Plus he just mentioned airports....you'd have to build a "Berlin Wall" on the border with Canada for automobile and FOOT traffic. Plus you're going to need about a $500 Billion boost to the Coast Guard....Bahamas, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia. I compliment Anders though...atleast he's trying to answer. A person like churchmouse merely says "It'll be illegal...that means it won't happen as much" or "Who cares if it doesn't work...it'll be illegal in the US and put on a nice show of how 'moral' we are" Naturally both positions show the futility of their "dream". A Federal anti-abortion law will never come to pass, because everybody but the radicals knows it won't work. And even if Roe were overturned and it went "state-by-state"....there would be states which would never make it illegal. And then guys like Anders would be forced to build walls around Utah and Alabama and North Dakota....to keep women from going to Illinois, New York, California, etc.
A person like church mouse eh? First of all you can't make a statement like the threads title...it would be impossible to know. "You can't make abortion illegal." You are making a statement that you have no way of knowing in the end will come true. I can't say abortion will one day be illegal...I have no way of knowing. But I can say this.....IT MIGHT one day be illegal. Rape is illegal but it still goes on. And when abortion was illegal it still went on. But when something is illegal and the person doing it gets caught most the time they pay the price. So can abortion be illegal once again......you have no way of knowing. I would presume that 100 years ago...if someone said there will never be such a thing as gay marriage...they would be surprised today. To say something will never happen...is a factual statement you can't make. For that to happen...everyone in the land would have to be pro-abortion and that simply is not true. This topic after 40 years is still as hot as it was back then. And based on the way things are going, the pro-abort side, your side is running. States following in line are making laws that forbid and prohibit abortion in certain circumstances. They are making abortion harder for women to get. The Heart Beat law....will have an effect....it might not eliminate and stop all children killed when a heart beat is detected but it will reduce the numbers of the slaughtered. What is sad is this. That you are so pro-abortion that it seems you would go to any extreme measures to put that knife, that suction tube, that object that abortionists use to kill....in their hands. Inn the end....justice will happen whether you like it or not. And it might not go your way. The people who loved killing the little ones in the womb...well they might be swimming in a lake....a very hot lake according to scriptures. And while I should never hope to see such a sight....I can imagine what it will look like and only pray that Gods justice will be carried out. So while the legality of abortion today makes me sad....I know in the end...justice for the unborn will happen. Oh it will happen....So laugh, throw your hands up in the air...and celebrate....the time just might will come when you will look back and wish and hope you had thought differently about this issue. I remind myself daily that this is just an ugly glimpse into a liberal position. A worthless and pathetic attempt to accelerate the pro-abort killing machine. Oh Gorn....you do champion the right of women to have an abortion throughout the entire nine months don't you? Because you of all people would never deny her that right to slaughter her unborn. Right? Who would ever want a compliment from you......? Not me. ANY compliment you would make IMO has an odor of pro-abortion surrounding it.
You all are concentrating on the woman. How about the one who really does the killing...the abortionist. You make abortion illegal in the courts and you police the clinics and punish the doctor who does them. The woman does not do the killing. Any woman just makes herself available. Without the abortionist....what do you have except the women who would do it themselves. And if they take matters into their own hands than so be it. You can never make something totally go away..but that does not mean we should not try to stop the carnage.
Then if what you think I believe is what you say...you should applaud me, right? There is no way on earth that one pro-lifer can fight this on a global level alone. There are people in Canada that are pro-life and working on changing their laws. I am a citizen here...and while Canada is an evil country in this regard...I am not a citizen...I am concerned with our laws. Get it? I find it ironic you would bring up morals. ...do you know something about them I don't? What are they?
What is more important than life? Without life you have NOTHING. You can't pursue happiness, nor can you have liberty. Funny you should be here debating this issue....you were one of the lucky ones who were not targeted...not aborted. And yet you help to paint a big red bullseye on every life in the womb...that is what the pro-choice/abortion position does.
You can not stop abortion. There is no correlation between restrictive abortion laws and abortion rate. Restrictive abortion laws increase maternal death rates. Are you pro-life for women? Why do you want a law that does more harm than good?
But the fact that there is a law like this just upsets you doesn't it. The fact that less children will be slaughtered...that is a bad idea, right? You should go to these states and protest and write letters....and you should also work towards making late term abortion legal. Why aren't you doing this? You are pro-intrauterine cranial decompression aren't you? You call it whatever you want....no child saved would be a victory for the pro-choice side. It is sorrowful....indeed.
Wow, this is the most un-Christian like post I have read on this site in a long while. Actively fantasizing about God punishing those who support a contrary view? Did you masterbate to this fantasy? Sure sounds like it. Not to derail the thread, but the bible is little hazy on abortion. Sometimes it is OK and sometimes it isn't. I wouldn't be so quick to dole out Gods justice, you might find yourself on the wrong side of your sick and twisted fantasy. I am a libertarian and support each and everyone's right to make decisions concerning their body. I am not for big government when it is convenient like most religious leaning so called conservatives. A woman's right to her body and the decisions that concern it is sacred. Our society benefits from an educated female population in control of their reproduction. This one idea is the cure for poverty. To divorce women from their god given right of reproductive determination is not only wrong, but dangerous. It is a sure bet to increase poverty, government dependence, and the destruction of our great nation.
You get off on the idea of punishing those dirty women don't you? Doling out Gods will? Women will continue to get abortions, more women will needlessly die, the few babies that aren't aborted will grow up dependent on government subsidy in poverty, and you will have your great immoral victory.
So...heres a few questions. I agree with anders about his post about if the goverment REALLY wanted, they could pass a law that would make it illegal if someone did the crime (Such as child rape, IT was an example not really off topic) for abortions. I agree with mouse and everyone that if it was illegal it would still happen. I agree with mouse as well that we are all going to be judged possibly her harder then the rest of us for haveing an abortion and them judging everyone else because she was "Saved" by converting and finding god (dosnt work that way last I checked, You forgive and peacefully talk to others not damn everyone) My question is. If abortion is illegal and people end up killing themselves regardless why is that ok mouse? So it is better for abortions to be done by people who would harm themselves then by professionals?
ARe you pro-life for unborn children? I want a law that gives every human the right to life. It is unfortunate that you do not. That your position champions killing unborn living human children. Where is the trail of blood coming from? I am proud to say not on my side. But what is tragic is the fact that you don't see it. I have pointed out time and time again the hypocrisy of your position and you run for the hills...you change the subject...you do whatever you can to take the focus off of the carnage your position loves. That you a rabidly pro-abort...would have the audacity to call me on my position while ignoring the flaws in your own...is unbelievable. You call me anti-woman and then you turn around and based on your own bias....want to deny a woman a late term abortion. HYPOCRITICAL IN EVERY WAY. Abortion is good or bad Cady? Which is it? Restrictive laws....I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO WANTS TO SELF ABORT. This is up to her....and pre-Roe the numbers were unchartable they were so low. Even PP says the numbers were low. You make abortion illegal and abortion numbers will go down, babies are saved. Today in our liberal society no one would look down on a woman who gets pregnant who is single. Today there is no shame over anything anymore....not even abortion...unless you have had one and want to hide it...which is the case of most women who certainly want what they did to stay private. Abortion is not a victimless act.... It stands to reason that if abortion is legal, more women will use it. If we legalize drugs we will expose them to millions of people who otherwise would never have touched them. And so it is with abortion. More women will think of the consequences before having sex, more babies lives will be saved. - - - Updated - - - ARe you pro-life for unborn children? I want a law that gives every human the right to life. It is unfortunate that you do not. That your position champions killing unborn living human children. Where is the trail of blood coming from? I am proud to say not on my side. But what is tragic is the fact that you don't see it. I have pointed out time and time again the hypocrisy of your position and you run for the hills...you change the subject...you do whatever you can to take the focus off of the carnage your position loves. That you a rabidly pro-abort...would have the audacity to call me on my position while ignoring the flaws in your own...is unbelievable. You call me anti-woman and then you turn around and based on your own bias....want to deny a woman a late term abortion. HYPOCRITICAL IN EVERY WAY. Abortion is good or bad Cady? Which is it? Restrictive laws....I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO WANTS TO SELF ABORT. This is up to her....and pre-Roe the numbers were unchartable they were so low. Even PP says the numbers were low. You make abortion illegal and abortion numbers will go down, babies are saved. Today in our liberal society no one would look down on a woman who gets pregnant who is single. Today there is no shame over anything anymore....not even abortion...unless you have had one and want to hide it...which is the case of most women who certainly want what they did to stay private. Abortion is not a victimless act.... It stands to reason that if abortion is legal, more women will use it. If we legalize drugs we will expose them to millions of people who otherwise would never have touched them. And so it is with abortion. More women will think of the consequences before having sex, more babies lives will be saved.
