You might want to think again about "free" socialist medicine

You've got it all wrong, all wrong, all wrong. Blinded by who knows what.

Because all you can do is bitch-and-moan about socialism, when the question is far more simple. Either you have the DoD swallowing a humongous portion of the Discretionary Budget (where today it takes up 54% of it), or we make investments that better our lives. As in Healthcare and Tertiary-level Education.

Given that Social Democracies offer very low-cost Healthcare from which "all can benefit" and nearly-free Postsecondary Education that permits workers to obtain better salaries, it is well worth the effort that the US adopts both. But, alas, those two valuable promises today in America fall on deaf-'n-dumb ears.

The US today has near full-employment - but as the world is changing fundamentally by going "up-market", either Uncle Sam meets the New Age challenge or drops behind.

PS: Socialism exists nowhere in the world anymore, which indicates how familiar you are with the word.

Just the opposite. But, you are blind to the factual evidence ...

 

Nope I'm right-right-right! I see it already in this country and it's exactly as I described!

And yes it's a failed concept even on a smaller scale ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

BlahBlahBlah - more senseless unsubstantiated invective ...

 

Ya blah-blah-blah ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

I figured that out in the first paragraph! You didn't even have the accuracy to take into account WHO was going to replace the U.S. in the roll of world policing..

You ever see that scrubbing Bubble add.. "We work hard so you don't have to" ya man! That's us Now you go back a recalculate what American work to provide the rest of the sheep on the planet that rely on our blood and treasure when they are threatened by the wolves.

Although I agree! If it were up to me, I'd sit back and watch the little players be swallowed up by bigger Boys until a mutual agreement was ironed out by the very few players left on the planetary grid!

Pffffffffffffff away with you

 

Easier done than said. You go on Ignore.

 

You keep making the same mistake. You think Healthcare is like any insurance you can buy on Main St. Only it isn't.

LIke the right to vote, one should be born with National Healthcare Insurance and not bought at a Department Store sold OTC*.

There are 513 million in Europe covered by National Healthcare. Nobody but nobody is complaining. (Quite the opposite, in fact.) Moreover, the latest score as regards International Healthcare Services ranking from here: Commonwealth Fund



Anyone surprised that it is mostly European HC-services (8 to be exact) in the Top Ten? And the 11th being the US ...

*One goes to a doctor who has decided that their practice will provide National Healthcare services. You pay for whatever services with both your Credit Card and your National HC Insurance Card. Then you will find that your cost is reimbursed to your bank-account. Nowhere does an external insurance company enter. Nowhere. (Which is why private Insurance companies are scared witless of National HC insurance in the USofA. It's going to put to death their "juicy business".) And yes, GPs that make an average $200K a year will be reduced to about 40% less income, which is why they give profusely to Replicant candidates in order to assure it is kept privatized.

 

Insurance is not healthcare.
Please provide proof that Nobody but nobody is complaining. (Quite the opposite, in fact.) Because, in fact, a great number are complaining.

The idea that you believe a person who has invested in their future through education and dedication, should just step back and allow the government to dictate what they should be paid for their services, clarifies exactly what you feel should happen to health CARE in this country.

How would you feel if the same idea were to be applied to your field of endeavor?

 

You just want someone else to do the paying while you do the receiving. It's not a mystery

 

Quickly, show the data that demonstrates a cause and effect relationship

 

More than that, the data would need to be corrected for how the numbers are calculated and for variations in ethnicity. To be a worthwhile comparison we would need to know such things as what constitutes a live vs. still birth, and the ethnic makeup of the compared samples. If the European numbers listed are compared to Asian Americans, the U.S. wins by a couple of years. If the comparison is against African Americans the U.S. loses by an even larger margin. It might be an interesting comparison to really compare like to like, as for example, Swedish nationals vs. Swedish Americans.

The undifferentiated data shown in the "Our World in Data" graph is less than worthless since it doesn't account for any possible differences in the collection of data, the variances in culture, the diversity of the populations, etc.. Hell, the Standard American Diet might be more causative of the difference in lifespan shown above than anything to do with healthcare per se.

 

Well, you guys created the problem. I don’t want to be responsible for fixing it.

 

Many Americans are unaware of the extreme confiscatory taxes Europeans pay in the name of free, low quality healthcare and to add insult to injury there is a disproportionate number of them on public assistance. For those who are part of the working class there they have little incentive to continue working and more and more are leaving the work world for a free ride. Eventually it has to collapse, there is no way but down.

 

Bloody Aussies.

 

In fact, it's not a study at all. Just a collection of vital statistics from various nations. As you said, worthless

 

Well okay, whatever your state thinks is best. The question isn't me making mistakes, but rather whether you and your likeminded state or county residents really truly believe that it's such a wonderful thing, and then you guys do it!

Really, you know that half the country doesn't want it, so why are you wasting time waiting for the rest of us? We're not going to do it, so do it yourself, or don't do it at all. Your choice.

 

At the moment it is coming down to China or Russia with India as an outlier

 

Yep tax rates are high but I DON’T have to pay health insurance or have out of pocket expenses.

 

Well a 2 is not bad

 

You try to opt out of that by trying like hell to explain why you don't want to be protected from the evil Russians.

 

Your taxes come out of your pocket.
Is this difficult?

 

Yes and no

We have PAYG tax system where you employer pays the tax - you get what is left

 

ALL WRONG

What evil Russians? Your belching again! You've swallowed hook, line and sinker the White House Replicant line*.

It's ISIS that want's your collective-arses in the US - and so far they have done more of their damage in Europe than in the US ...

All the Russians want is to keep their Mediterranean naval-base in Tartus, Syria. Read all about that here and see the aerial photos: Russian naval facility in Tartus. They have a fleet in Crimea, but any Russian naval-ships there are blocked by the exit passage through the straights at Istanbul.

As usual Donald Dork has got the middle-east all wrong, all wrong, all wrong. As he is now scrambling to fix by sending his VP to Turkey*. From the NYT recently (Aug. 19, 2019): ISIS Is Regaining Strength in Iraq and Syria - excerpt:

*Jerko can only think in dollars-'n-cents. He got pissed off that the Turks bought military equipment from the Russians (anti-aircraft missiles). Because America's version was twice the price. Now he's trying to repair the damage when its too late.

 

Not where I live here in France! And not in the European Union entirely, where National Healthcare Service is a condition for joining the EU. Meaning more that 500 million Europeans benefit from a NHS.

Any National Healthcare Service IS INDEED INSURANCE! A healthcare visit will cost you less than 20€ in France (but the doctor enjoys an income twice that amount). You have a health-problem, you go see a registered GP. S/he administers a remedy or asks for further exams, the costs of which are born by the NHS. Any surgical remedy is covered by the NHS. The only "service" that is not covered is a hospital stay where the patient may want a private-room whereby they pay an additional fee not-reimbursable by the NHS.

DO YOU GET IT? Because I've "got it" having lived in Europe since posted here in the 1980s. I know very well the HC-system of five different EU-countries and THEY ARE ALL THE SAME throughout the European Union (EU).

If you want private-insurance, OK by me! Pay through the nose for private-insurance! I could care less about such patent stoopidity ... !

 

The only people using the term "free" in regards to health care are people in opposition to single payer. Everyone else understands nothing is free, but single payer is less expensive and more equitable than what we have.