You need to listen to Fox News to actually get it!

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  1. AFM

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    You are stating effectively that 2 + 2 = 5.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-great-mariel-boatlift-experiment-1497630468
     
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    Thanks for the link, but the article does not settle the debate in your favor. In fact, you appear to be doing exactly what Dr Borjas is accused of doing.

    You are committing the same fallacy modern day conservatives routinely do, cherry-picking one lone dissenter to prove your point. This is a common tactic with the Climate Debate.

    The article you provided clearly states five other "natural experiments" that test the same issue and found the same conclusions that run counter to Borjas' findings.

    What I find interesting however is even if we are to take Borjas' conclusions on his data, what we are talking about is an affect on high-school dropouts. If the issue was truly about "protecting jobs and wages of workers in the United States", as Trump claimed above, then why does Trump employ a significant number of undocumented workers at his hotel properties? I realize hypocrisy is the soup de jour of the GOP, but it is a serious impediment to credibility.

    If indeed there is an economic area in the US that has a high propensity of workers without a high school diploma, then THAT is what is needed to be addressed, not the immigration laws that restrict them.

    It is clear your bias blinds you to being able to asses this information for what it is; one researcher's opinion that is not supported by the rest of the field.
     
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    You actually believe that injecting 125,000 low income workers into south Florida did not depress wages and cost US citizens jobs ???? Come’on man. You are claiming 2+2=5.
     
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    Listen to yourself!

    You are trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Just because the results do not live up to your biases does not make it invalid.
     
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    Econ 101.
     
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    By your own article that you submitted, the evidence does not show it to be true.
     
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    Of course it does. Depressing wages means that the Cuban refugees took jobs from US citizens. Was accepting these refugees the right thing to do - yes. But don’t pretend that this action did no economic harm to US citizens.
     
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    Borjas is in the minority. Until others agree with his findings, his research is not conclusive, not matter how badly you want it to be.

    I don't need to pretend. I lived through that period of time in that location. I had extended family members who came over on the Mariel Boatlift. I graduated high school in 1981. I went to work starting in my senior year. There were no job shortages!
     
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    Borjas' conclusions were thoroughly addressed & debunked in the article/link I posted earlier...but I take it you didn't bother reading it.

    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/20...rump-economics-mariel-boatlift-hispanic-cuban
     
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    Borjas is right. Econ 101. Explain how increasing the supply of labor who are willing and do work for lower wages does not harm US citizen workers.
     
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    What part of the country do you live in?
     
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    There's a thing called "Reality". Check it out some time.
     
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    Your reality is 2 + 2 = 5.
     

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