You need to listen to Fox News to actually get it!

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Mueller (p185): This series of events could implicate the federal election-law ban on contributions and donations by foreign nationals , 52 U.S.C. § 3012 l(a)(l )(A). Specifically, Goldstone passed along an offer purportedly from a Russian government official to provide "official documents and information" to the Trump Campaign for the purposes of influencing the presidential election. Trump Jr. appears to have accepted that offer and to have arranged a meeting to receive those materials. Documentary evidence in the form of email chains supports the inference that Kushner and Manafort were aware of that purpose and attended the June 9 meeting anticipating the receipt of helpful information to the Campaign from Russian sources.
    Just one example. A total of 272 contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian government agents are mentioned.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're having a debate in your own little fantasy world... Who knows about what because nothing you have said has anything to do with what I said. Some "meditative state" that Fox viewers go into at certain times of the day, or something. Since I have no idea what they mean, I'll just leave you on your own.
     
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    I think more than being uninformed, the issue is how labile are they. In other words, how strong is their tendency to be brainwashed/programmed?

    Do they rarely question popular beliefs? Are they gullible? Are they overly trusting of authority? Are they accepting of authoritative control by the few? Do they easily accept hierarchical social institutions based on perceived power rather than on individual merit? Are they given to media propaganda & nationalist rhetoric? Are they followers, conformists, team players? Do they have a hive/herd mentality? Are they able to accept contradictory facts, or even willing to review them? Do they have a fear of what the truth might be & what it could mean to their world view? Are they willing to accept the truth?

    This issue with labile minds transcends both intelligence & how much one is informed. One's intelligence & level of knowledge will pale against the inability to transcend one's programming.

    "The important thing is this: to be able at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become." ~ Charles Du Bos
     
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    Thanks for the laughs.
     
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    So what? Did you read mine?

    No I didn't. Pay attention! If you don't know something... ask!

    Because if they included all the impeachable offenses and crimes that Trump has committed, they would spend all year just reading them. Trump's average is probably one impeachable offense per day since he took office.

    And, of course (this should be obvious even to you) a large part of the Mueller report is redacted, and some investigations are still ongoing.

    You seem like the perfect example of what I refer to on the OP: completely uninformed, but nevertheless eager to repeat the talking points that the Fox News echo-chamber feeds you.

    BTW, as any moderately informed person will tell you (and even some uninformed ones), it's not necessary to watch Fox to receive the daily "fix" from the reverberations of an echo-chamber.
     
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    Yep, even quoted all of it.

    More outright lying.


    Wow, talk about a lame excuse. They didn't include it because it would take them a year just to read them? Seriously? We're not talking about your imaginary "one impeachable offense per day" BS. We're talking about Trump supposedly working with Russia to get himself elected in 2016. The Mueller report. Why didn't they include it? We all know why, you're just so biased that you refuse to accept the obvious.
     
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    There is much to support what you say. And, if we look back in history, it's scary to notice what events this sort of "mental condition" has been attached to.
     
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    Quoting, reading and understanding them are three completely different things.

    Of course not "seriously"! Wake up! It's just a figure of speech. You actually took it literally?

    Do I have to be as explicit when I talk to you as I am when I talk to a 5 year old? I'm simply saying that, because of the sheer number of crimes and impeachable offenses Trump has committed, it would take a loooooong time to process them all in impeachment. So they had to choose the ones that would not take such a looooong time. Hoping that the urgency to stop Trump from cheating in the elections would wake up some Republican's patriotism. It did not, of course. But that was the plan. As has been explained many many times.

    God! You really need to concentrate.

    And did you not read, or just not understand the part I explained to you about this investigation still being ongoing and parts of the report being redacted?

    If you didn't understand that, you are certainly not going to understand this post. So it's just a waste of time.
     
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    Do you even believe what you post? Everything you post is pure speculation or opinion.
     
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    Mueller report= no evidence of Russian collusion. Why is this so hard for u to understand?
     
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    So saith Fox!

    Score one more proving the point I made on the OP. I'm on a roll!!
     
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    Loud fart.
    Excuse yourself.
     
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    Your story. Whatever gets you off.
     
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    Hard to know what people mean exactly when they say "Fox News." The daytime news programming is straight news, and beginning at 5p is the predominantly pro Trump "The Five."

    Then comes Bret Baier and Martha McCallum, who are as fair as can be and almost always have a liberal Democrat to give their say. They are treated fairly.

    Shannon Bream also has an hour in the evening and is as even handed as you could ask for.

    That leaves Tucker Carlson, anti leftist to be sure but hard to pigeon hole because of his anti corporate stance. Democrat Tulsi Gabbard is a frequent and respected guest, but he has leftis wackos in there too.

    That leaves Hannity, a friend and apologist for Trump, but no more so than thrill up the leg Chris Matthews and the ENTIRE MSNBC commentators were for Obama.

    All things considered, Fox skews right but is more fair than any other network.
     
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    Opposition research is not collusion.
     
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    Wrong. The only evidence seen in regards to the dnc emails getting to assange was presented by VIPS and showed those were lloaded onto a drive and not transmitted over the net To this day no peer of VIPS has proven them wrong .

    Assange offered to prove his source was not Russia by appearing before congress if he would not be arrested . Of course they didnt want the truth since they were invested in the idea Russia was the source yet never provided the evidence .

    The only evidence came from VIPS. Not that evidence has any merit for clearly it doesnt.
     
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    That's called nonsense spin, it's meant to cloud their viewed sense of logic by overloading them with more then they can process :nod::nod::nod: I'm sure the list way much greater then need be, but why take a chance when bullshit is free, right :nod::nod::nod: :thumbsup::rock_slayer:
     
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    Well, that could be part of the problem Golem, be literal and on point, that's how the professional do it ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Yeah, there's a vast chasm of difference. There was nothing on the evening news about the tainted jury in the Roger Stone trial.
     
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    So saith Mueller. No conspiracy.
     
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    Agreed. And you have demonstrated a decided lack in ability to do all 3 at once.

    Sarcasm doesn't translate well on forums. Didn't you know that? In anycase we're not talking about "sheer number of crimes". We're only talking about one. Conspiracy. Instead of dodging around answering the question why not answer it? Why didn't the Dems in the HoR add it, Conspiracy, to their articles of impeachment if the Mueller report showed that Trump conspired with the Russians to win the 2016 election? Again, the answer is obvious. Because it doesn't prove it.

    I'm not the one trying to dodge a simple question by conflating imaginary "sheer number of crimes" with just the one that is being talked about.

    1: Do you really think that the Dems in the HoR are going to be able to uncover things that Mueller wasn't able to do with a team of 40 lawyers, forensic accountants and investigators that had access to thousands of documents, 500 subpoena's, foreign government help, and Trump ordering everyone to co-operate fully with Mueller?

    2: Roughly 6 to 12 percent of the public Mueller report was redacted. All of the redactions were redacted due to existing law set in place after the Nixon scandal. 12 Congressional leaders plus heads of the Judiciary and Intelligence committees (Nadler and Schiff) in the HoR had access to all but the Grand Jury Material of the Mueller report. Meaning that they had access to all but less than 1% of the Report. Some Dems, like Nadler refused to even look. It is a fact that this report was less redacted than any other report offered to Congress by any other President in history. So your claim about "a large part being redacted" is a false claim.
     
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    A lot of trumpers want a dictator. The Constitution is definitely under attack by both trump and many of his supporters, as well as foreign operatives.. .
     
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    The "Orange Man Bad" syndrome is impossible to logically and rationally refute because the "Orange Man Bad" syndrome is illogical and irrational.
     
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    Which Trump supporters want Trump to be a dictator ?? The above post is indicative of the pattern of the left accusing the right of exactly what they are doing. It's called projection.
     
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    Because it isn't true.

    Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion”

    https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

    AP FACT CHECK: Trump, Barr distort Mueller report findings
    https://apnews.com/f9c0ab20229140f18ea34e1f15a9f597

    The report noted that some Trump campaign officials had declined to testify (Donnie J refused to testify and his lying sack of shyte of a father refused to answer questions regarding obstruction) under the 5th Amendment or had provided false or incomplete testimony, making it difficult to get a complete picture of what happened during the 2016 campaign. The special counsel wrote that he “cannot rule out the possibility” that unavailable information could have cast a different light on the investigation’s findings.

    The report also makes clear the investigation did not assess whether “collusion” occurred because it is not a legal term. The investigation found multiple contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, and the report said it established that “the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”
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    The "no collusion" meme doesn't not stand up to the facts. It was established by Billy the Bagman immediately after the release of the Mueller report to construct a false narrative before the public had access to the report. There is an enormously important distinction Trumpette's are not making between the lack of evidence to prove a criminal conspiracy and the ample evidence of what has been labeled collusion.


    Stop Using the Word “Collusion”—How to Frame the Critical Question at the Heart of Trump-Russia
    https://www.justsecurity.org/62675/...w-frame-critical-question-heart-trump-russia/
     
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