Young earth vs old earth theory?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by DennisTate, Nov 18, 2020.

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Do you believe in a young earth or old earth theory?

  1. Old earth... up to five billion or so years old.

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  2. A somewhat old earth... perhaps tens or hundreds of thousands of years old

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  3. A relatively young earth.... less than twenty thousand years old

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  4. I believe that the earth is roughly seven thousand years old.

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  1. Cougarbear

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    I'm more intelligent and smarter. That is obvious now. You go off on tangents to support your understanding. That's stupidity. You are obviously intelligent. Smarter? Nope. I'm also a Trump supporter for several reasons. I didn't start off that way. He wasn't my first choice in the primaries in 2016. But, I've quickly changed my views when I saw the good he was doing and has done. The vaccine in 7 months. Incomes rose $6,000 for all including blacks, hispanics and women. Wealth inequality was cut in half in the 3 years prior to the pandemic. And, a lot more. I saw he was for America and all Americans. He wasn't the usual slimy politician that had been in the swamps for years and decades. He was a businessman and solved problems as challenges that could be overcome with common sense and not politics. We had 16 previous years of politicans running this country as Presidents and nothing good got done. Wars and more wars in both Bush and Obama-Biden administrations. Incomes stagnant as was the entire economy. We had become beholden to China, Iran and Mid East oil. In 3 years, Trump had destroyed that and we have become an independent energy country meaning no more needless wars. Israel and Arab nations are coming together forming peace treaties and working together. There's a lot more but that's for another topic.
     
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    Now you are just being petty. WOW!!! You found "Line Segment" in Google. Congratulations! A segment is part of a line. Duh! And then you write "We math/science people." :roflol:

    I will grant you this. There are religious people that will not say we know everything secular. Just like you do. True math and science people will say something like that they don't know something when they don't. Like what "faith" is in God. You have no concept of what faith in God is. Yet, you try to assume superiority over people of faith. Calling them names because you know nothing about faith and why they know things you don't know nor can comprehend. That's why you turn to disparaging name calling. We have something you don't and you want it or silence us. It's something you can't control. It's what Democrats have become. :icon_fork:
     
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    Seriously ? That sounds like Trump. This guy is ignorant.
     
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    You weren’t even prepared to use Google. Maybe Genesis has the correct answer....nope, not there. You’d think the people who wrote the Bible would know geometry we use today. Nope.

    Oh, you didn’t know math is the language of science ?
     
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    Yes I do. Faith is the absence of proof. You believe stuff, with no evidence.
     
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    See, you are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole again. YOU CAN'T DO THIS and CAN'T DO THAT!!! You most certainly can mix the two together. The only limitation science has is proving faith in God. But, we certainly can prove or work to prove those tangible things that God has taught about like the creation. There is a reason why creationists believe it's important. And, that is what happened on the 6th day and what Adam and Eve did. The fall of Adam is important because the fall requires a Savior and that is the key part of Father in Heaven's Eternal Plan of Happiness for his spirit Children who come to the earth. The full atonement includes the resurrection and the possibility to live in Celestial Glory with Him and Jesus Christ. Many Christians deem it necessary to prove the young earth and universe. While I'm learning more about the geology and finding fault with old earth thinkers, I'm not worrying about whether the universe is 13 billion years old. If God wanted to organize the universe in a 1,000 of earth years, he could do that. It's His universe and we are here for the ride. I haven't yet seen anything that I can dispel with young universe theories. I'm looking forwards to more information and not trying to silence it like you want to do. I'm open-minded unlike yourself.
     
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    You are assuming things again. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Insane! As Einstein said. Did you find that statement that math is the language of science on Google too? Here's a fact, God is the author of Math and therefore the author of science as well. We are just here trying to learn what God already knows and knows what is truth. Secular scientists think they know more than God. Prideful... You still have to interpret the math as well as the science. And that begins at whatever belief you have. You believe in Darwin. I believe in Christ.
     
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    That's a total hash.

    YOUR source, ICR states that the universe is only thousands of years old - not millions, not billions.

    You're attempting to cast doubt on science by doing no more than taking an egg beater to what is known vs. ideas from religion that don't even match each other. In fact, YOU counter your own cite!

    The bottom line is that this universe is about a million times older than ICR thinks.

    And, the result of that is that you have to explain why god would create photons IN ROUTE in amazingly intricate patterns for the purpose of tricking humans into thinking the age of the universe is not what it acutally is.

    While you think about that, maybe you could explain why ICR uses a picture of a galaxy when their view of the universe is that the galaxy being pictured DOESN'T EXIST!
     
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    Proof? What proof? If you don't have proof in faith than you don't understand faith. That's illogical, again. And, I believe and have my evidence. Evidence you don't want. Jesus tried to explain it to people. Those that use his techniques of understanding, understood his parables. Like a mustard seed, faith can be planted and grow. But, it has to be nurtured through Gospel principals and understandings. Not through math, science or any other secular knowledge and understanding. And, most importantly, accept the influence and gift of the Holy Ghost who testifies the truth to believers. You can't grasp these things so you spend time trying to tear down and destroy faith of others. Which also strengthens my testimony in Christ. It brings out more evidence that good and evil exist meaning there is a Christ and there is a Satan. The more people like you I see the more people of faith I see and their faith is true. Because it is good. It brings forth good fruit and yours just brings forth anger, wickedness, destruction, wars, poverty, tyranny and all ungodly ugly fruits.
     
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    NO.

    Science has a definition. When you decide to totally ignore that definition what you are calling science ISN'T SCIENCE.

    YOU don't get to define what scienc is. THAT has already been done. And, your attempts to do so aren't
    just "open minded" - they are total nonsense.
     
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    No, if there is proof then it isn't faith.
     
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    See, this is why I don't believe a word you write. ICR gave a very pointed question that suggests secular scientists, not science, is in error. Instead of looking for evidence to support or not support the evidence that this galaxy and many more just doesn't fit into the big bang theory, you instead attack the thousand year claim without any credible evidence. There must be something written about why that galaxy is fully formed but doesn't fit the big bang theory. Instead, you attack religion. That's bigotry.

    "In most galaxy formation scenarios, galaxies only start to show a well-formed disk around 6 billion years after the Big Bang. The fact that the astronomers found such a disk galaxy when the Universe was only ten percent of its current age, indicates that other growth processes must have dominated. Or perhaps it illustrates that something is wrong with secular ideas about galaxy formation. Or that something is wrong with the assumption that distant light takes billions of years to reach us. Or perhaps both."

    Now, why is that disk galaxy so well formed (6 billion years old) when it sits in the 1.3 billion years of the universes existence according to the big bang secular scientists beliefs? That's certainly a perplexing question, wouldn't you agree? That doesn't mean Creationist theories of Genesis is correct. It does mean that it opens up the question on whether secularists interpretation of what they are seeing and studying is correct. The big bang is only a theory, not a fact to real scientists. I'm not casting doubt on science. I'm casting doubt on your intellect to understand science if you can't see the problem with this galaxy and it's position in the universe as it relates to the big bang theory.
     
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    It is when faith proves God lives and Jesus is the Christ, it's proof. Just not through secular empirical proof. It's still proof to believers. Something you can't have because you deny the Holy Ghost. The unpardonable sin. Good thing I'm not God and won't be judging you at the Judgement Seat of God. :popcorn:
     
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    Science has an explanation for it; if you're not aware of that the problem is yours.
     
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    The problem is more fundamental than that.

    You're still trying to redefine science - claiming there are two kinds, for example. Science is science. It's fully defined. Anc, ICS just doesn't count as science - they absolutely oppose science.

    As for evidence, what would YOU accept as evidence?

    And, by accept, I mean what would cause you to reject ICS, which denies ALL evidence from science as well as the very definition of how science works.
    The issue is that there are materials in that galaxy that would have to have been created in a supernova.

    So, the question really boils down to how long it would take for enough supernova activity to produce the detected materials. This is seriously early in the lifetime of this universe and an incredibly rare find. And, there has been nowhere near the time needed for confrirmation and analysis. It just doesn't work this way. Science never jumps to conclusions like YOU and ICS are doing - making broad pronouncements of invalidating cosmologgy without even bothering to do the work!!


    Your "only a theory" thing just shows one more time that you don't know how science works. A theory in science is a collection of one or more hypotheses that have undergone serious testing and review and have proven to be beyond refutation give full current knowledge and capability Further, they need to be found to be useful in further exploration of this universe - that is, they have to have predictive value - like the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, etc.

    Theory is the strongest level of truth in science. Saying "just a theory" is like calling Genesis "just a chapter in the Bible".
     
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    In protestant branches of Christianity justification is through faith alone. It's not through works. And, there isn't proof - there is faith.

    You may have serious confidence in your faith. But, the Bible doesn't provide a method of proof.
     
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    God is the author of math and science ? He waited a long time to rid the earth of small pox. Sounds like you’re inventing a God who lets 20 k children suffer and die every day. Must because be they aren’t Christians.
     
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    Right. Your faith I don’t understand. Sounds like believers can’t tell the difference between a god and a criminal.....Trump. The man who attracts Nazi sympathizers, the kkk and lackies who are only getting out of jail by his wave of pardons. Your economy is now in another recession, number 11, hundreds of thousands of dead Americans and an increase in debt in Trumps tenure, greater then everyother president combined. This is Christian faith ?
     
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    Amazing.....you worship a god generated by a book written by Jews, for Jews who don’t even recognize it as more then parables. The Jewish faith who the book was written for don’t believe it is true ! Man, Christians are gullible.
     
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    Of course it doesn’t. It’s a freakin fairytale. Catholics don’t believe in creationism. They were tired of being laughed at by educated people at parties.
     
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    The second coming. The messiah speaks.
     
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    They do. Medical Science doubled your life expectancy. God didn’t. He’s still letting people die by the thousands every day. Prayer helps no one, other then the minister you give your tithing to.
     
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    Its sad how unproductive and trolly this thread has become
     
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    Surely the issue of the relationship between religion and science is a key issue today.

    Even the recent Popes have pointed out that there is room for both religion and science. Our constitution guaarantees we're always going to have lots of different religions. Nobody can object to that.

    The issue is how to get along.

    To that end, I think it is important to know how to tell the diffrence between science and religion and to have an idea concerning which methodology is best suited to answer specific questions that arise.
     
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    Religion is a big money maker. They’ll always be room for money makers.
     
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