Young LNP against Abstudy

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    I have to go i will respond later
     
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    Now I am not Aboriginal although as you may have figured I live with an Aboriginal woman and her family. I am known within the mob as Unc, Cuz or Pop so I have been accepted into the mob. The would never look on me, nor would I expect them to as an elder as that is nearly a spiritual thing.

    But I too am amazed and upset at the youngsters taking to the ghetto gangster mentality. I think, note think, I am not black, that the young see some connection to African Americans. In reality though, it is the American Indian that they are akin to, but I feel they pick up on the racial discrimination similarities.

    Rap music has a lot to answer for.

    I really feel we will not get the youngsters to move on until we can help them build their own identity, not borrowing the gangster US one.

    We need more people to get out there and be seen, TV, Radio, Music etc. One of the biggest problems in my opinion is that Aboriginal people are by nature a shy race.
     
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    I believe we're not being taught to deal with the world as it. To understand what they went through we need to live like them and they need to live like us so we can really tackle the problem, They were all productive members of society before we came along.

    If there is no widespread hatred then they are better people than I. I was told it directly, I was catching up with a brothers friend, I don't believe he would beat it up. But I believe you would be more in the know than I in regards to feelings and community.
     
  4. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is quite a shallow argument slippery and smacks of arrogance. I somehow believe you are a little removed from the circumstances of that of your relatives. Therefore believe that what you are stating is totally subjective and lacks any real experience or indepth understanding. In the instance of Aboriginal people, there are many factors that impinge on individuals differently in aboriginal society. Some communities and families would be caught in a cycle, which takes time and opportunity to come out of, which essentially means that not everyone breaks this cycle together(variables of circumstances play a part) - this is the point in which your arrogance is exposed.
    My uncle once told me that you can't expect other people to pull you out of the (*)(*)(*)(*) if all you want to do is lay around in it........in other words in the end you are responsible for you and how you proceed in this world. This in itself is quite an ignorant statement. I'm quite flaberghasted actually!


    The chinese were never considered lower beings...this is outrageously absurd!! Most chinese came across to australia as miners during the gold rush and therefore had many more rights than aboriginal people. They may have been discriminated against but came across freely from their own country and could have easily gone back. Aboriginal people were massacred and restricted in their own land. They weren't allowed to be productive members of society from what my history books tell me. There are many stories on aboriginal missions in victoria and nsw where aborigines were producing very successful crops etc only for the government to hinder these progressions, through selling this productive land to european farmers underneath them and there hard work. These are apparently some of the factors that broke the back of Aboriginal people...quite sad. The PAST HAS TO BE REMEMBERED and used as evidence that the government must do more to help these people. You can't draw parallels with the chinese or any other race. There have not been impacts on anybody in this country to the extent that has happened to these people. It would be a case of blatant ignorance to think otherwise.

    The bleeding heart stuff has actually helped Aboriginal people since 1967. You have failed to even considered this.....it makes me a little suspicious of you slippery! We have more indigenous sportsman than ever. There is progression in the way of tertiary levels of education in many professions, but the job isn't done. 1967 is not even one generation away - it is totally mindless to think that 220years of damage can be fixed in this amount of time by people changing a pattern of living that was forced upon them. They were caught between a rock and a hard place in terms of societies. In the next 30 or 40 years, we may see something that nearly represents parity and therefore withdraw special considerations, but in the meantime we must ensure that the following generation have the opportunity to break the cycle without restriction and negative modeling as a consequence of these forced restrictions.

    You have a totally strange meaning of segration with regards to this issue....what do you call it when aboriginal people were in the reverse situation and were not allowed a basic education and citizenship rights, therefore virtually frigged the whole race? Surely something must be done to correct this?


    Again, another silly and simple analogy to cover for your arrogance slippery.
    I see you have no idea about the word inequity. Equity example: This is quite a simple analogy but should help you understand - A father beats one of his 2 boys to the point he injures his arm, which consequently is no longer functional and obviously restricts his ability to do much in terms of earning a living. The other boy is obviously physically fully functional. The father divides his inheritance between the 2 and both get $30,000 each....think about it slippery!
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another deluded comparsion slippery, I really can't believe what you are saying. Addressing inequity is not segregation. Addressing inequity helps people to become productive members of society through special consideration. This is very strange and weird to be honest.
     
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    why ? Because it doesn't agree with your opinion ?

    What makes your opinion the right one ?

    In what way is it deluded ? Explain .
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol...Here you go with your game playing...the same can be asked of you. There is no sociological questioning being raised just subjective statements that pretense guruness. Again, very strange to be honest.
     
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    I believe you should go and sleep it off and quit trolling.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the pot calling the kettle black.....I have aboriginal friends, but find your comments here very disturbing, especially with you being an aborigine. You can make sense on many subjects but your contribution here is outright shallow imo.
     
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    Rubbish.......this is a rubbish post !

    Good night.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's your opinion and you are welcome to it!
     

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