Your child says I'm gay. What do you do?

I attack far leftist because they seek to have an authoritaria socialist Communist economy. I am a liberal I find the very notion of a statist authoritarian absolutely intolerable. being that status authoritarians are really the only people I'm against I don't mind if people say just because I disagree with him I therefore call them statist authoritarians because it's accurate I disagree with statist authoritarians. I don't care how they justify it it is intolerable and should be resisted as fervently as one possibly can.

So when these sjw cry babies Vine about you and labeling them this and that tell them stop being this in that c and then the label won't fit.

Don't defend yourself against the s*** it's an attempt to say you are attacking their character or their person when you're attacking their views.

 

I am absolutely intolerant of statist authoritarians. Infect if they get their way I'm willing to pick up arms against them. I label everyone who disagrees with me because they're further left than me is a statist authoritarian whether it be Marxist communist socialist it doesn't matter because it is apt. If you don't want to be called those things don't be those things.

I don't care if you call me alt right. All that means is I'm not a far leftist Marxist sjw thank you for the compliment.

As right they should. Anyone proposing statist authoritarianism is necessarily anti-American. Accusations are perfectly acceptable when they are apt.

Nobody should every tolerate statist authoritarianism weather it is Marxism communism socialism they all kind of run hand-in-hand. They should resist it to the death.

I'm so glad to see there are Freedom Fighters that aren't silenced by left Wing insults. It gives me hope for this country.

 

Does that include right wing politicians who invade foreign countries in order to impose their brand of politics on others such as the action taken by traitor Bush on Iraq and Afghanistan?

Does that also include taking similar actions against police who intrude upon innocent blacks and others here in the USA?

Marx? It was Republicans who financed him:






It takes a Republican to be a Marxist.

No one will ever accuse me of being either one.

I didn't call you anything. You are the one who cited my post and made a generalization without any justification for your distorted views.

Nobody does that more than do Republicans. Bush, pro war types, pro police state tyranny against minorities prove that point.

What have you done to stop criminal police activity in the USA ghettos? Or how about Arpaio's tyranny in Arizona? Give specific examples.

Identify those 'Freedom Fighters', give examples of their efforts, and show what you have done (especially in terms of arms and actions).

 

I feel "lib-splained" to.....I haven't seen this level of effort at whitewashing history since liberals tried to explain how they weren't still the plantation owners they are...

To put a super fine point on it. the modern Marxists would have us all believe that their cause isn't authoritarian tyranny, because, afterall, they tell us their tyranny is for our own good. Just like mothers have been suggesting to justify their own little tyrannies for eons...

 

I notice how once again the forum right wingers are straying from the topic and bringing up issues that have been discussed on other threads.

Just for the record, it will again be remembered that Reagan RAISED taxes 11 times:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...e-mostly-forgotten-tax-increases-of-1982-1993


Did Ronald Reagan's 1981 tax cut supercharge the economy? - The ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../did-ronald-reagans-1981-tax-cut-supercharge-the-e...
Claim: While arguing over President Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts, Democrats claimed it would only benefit the rich. The Democrat speaker of the House at the time, Tip...
Claimed by: Sarah Sanders
Fact check by Washington Post: Two Pinocchios





It is Republicans who continually raise taxes, debts, get bailed out by Washington DC.


Now let's get back on topic .....

 

Well said. Laws are a clear display of the statist authoritarian mind.

I see some law as needed. But new laws over guns? To hell with that. New laws over our automobiles? To hell with that. New laws are in the garden of Democrats. Their authoritarian statist natures must impose more laws, And their laws are not mild laws, even the ACA consumed over 3000 pages in one law that then springs forth enormous bundles of regulations.

And they protect their authoritarian status. I fight that. I want freedom back. MAGA.

Democrats want climate to be subject to laws. Every issue to them needs more and harsher new laws. It will never end.

 

Speak of your child being gay. Stray back onto the topic.

 

What does this have to do with a gay child?

 

I don't care what party they belong to. You can be a slave to which ever party you choose, I don't fault you for your inability to think for yourself. I disagree with Bush on the Patriot act, I disagreed with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. But I'm not going to give Obama a pass because you think he is the Messiah. I disagreed with his drone strikes, I disagreed with his continued occupation of afganistan. I disagreed with his meeting in Egypt and Syria because I'm not a party bot. The fact that you think it's okay when Obama does it because he is on the blue team is testament to your enslavement.

If what you mean by innocent blacks is the furgison shooting, no. If you don't want to get shot by police or anyone with a gun who is not suicidal don't try and take it away from them. I'd not consider that innocent.

I know you can only think I'm terms of a party shill because that is what you are, but I'm not a Republican in not even conservative for the most part.

Don't think that your inability to act outside of your own orthodoxy equates to others being that shallow.

You did whine about the alt right. For you that's everybody that disagrees with you. So as far as you are concerned I'm alt right. I'm okay with that. I disagree with you. I'm not insulted. It doesn't mean anything to me.

I don't give half a stool about your brain dead political orthodoxies. You just seem under developed when you whine about Republicans.

there should be a tranny against criminals. Ghettos are bad because of criminals and tribalism. There is nothing anybody can do except for the people that live with in them.

I hope criminals suffer under tyranny they should.

Anybody who opposes leftist totalitarianism.

You are too overcome by propaganda to see it. Hopefully one day before it's too late your blinders will be removed.

 

I have stated on the record that I CONDEMNED the continued occupation of those lands. Click on search for all the proof you need.


Now answer my question - since you claim you would resort to violence in order to stop statism, when did you do so against Bush, against police state actions, or whomever?

Again, I did not accuse you of anything. You imagined that I said or suggested anything like that.

 

That's why I find the title of the thread to be interesting from a parental point of view.

Most parents I know, figured out early on which way their children where going sexually and excepting one ****** I know, had no problem with a child's decision to go one way or the other.

The one exception was odd, but knowing dads background not surprising.

I caught on early that his youngest son was gay simply by his body language in his late teens, just before he turned 20 he told his parents he was dating a guy a year older than him and he was going to move in with his boyfriend.

As he explained to me later, dad went through the roof calling him every four letter word in the book and screaming how let down he was by his son's very stupid and ungodly decision to become a q.

He was ripped up emotionally and called my son who is a long time friend, he didn't want to go back home to get his property, so he stayed with us for a few days until he could make the move to his boyfriends home, I went with him to retrieve his property, his father has known me for years and knows I take no crap from anyone and is going to let his now disowned son retrieve all that is his and load it into my trailer or I will have John Law out there faster than dad can pack up his bongs and other drug stuff.

However because of that I am now also disowned and no longer get invited to their annual Christmas party, which I avoided going to due to the rampant drug use.

So much for inclusion and toleration of differing points of view..

But no loss we now hold a small Christmas gathering and I invite his ex-son and boyfriend over, everyone has a good time and I mail the photos over to his ex-father who probably blows a gasket each year he see's them.

That happened six years ago and they are still living together, moved to Key West and both are doing very well.

 

The original question that I addressed did not do so. Just pointing out the truth.

 

But not your Messiah.

I never said I resorted to violence, I said I support it. You need to learn to pay attention to what you respond to so as not to look foolish.

I didn't say you accused me if anything. I was mocking the way you consider fox news alt right. I find that completely out of touch, a tad bit hysterical and profoundly dishonest.

I'm not here to argue with you about anything I'm here to discredit you.

 

As someone's son, I have to say. The only reason i told my parents is because they asked. And I told them the truth because I wanted to be heterosexual. And what I am caused me a great deal of shame. Hiding it was too much.

The latter is likely why kids tell their parents. It's perfectly acceptable to say to them, "that's nice dear, how's school it work."

 

Good for them. I don't see the point in getting angry at your own flesh and blood for being gay. What business does a parent have to care about which way their kid goes sexually? Mind their damn business. It's weird that a parent would invest that much emotion into it.

 

I accept them for who they are regardless...

but it also depends on the childs age, if young and they said they were heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, ect... I would try to calmly ask questions as to why my child was speaking like that (to make sure someone is not abusing them or talking to them about sexual stuff that should not be)

 

In our family we just don't talk much about sexuality at all. I have a distant cousin who is gay but his parents love him to death so it didn't phase them.

Now I do have someone close to me that is gay. My fiance's brother. When I first met him 5 years ago I could tell. My fiance could tell for about 10 years or so.

In 2014 he moved to San Francisco where he later officially came out. He moved there because they are most accepting of gay people and he wanted to get out of Lynchburg VA that isn't as gay friendly as San Fran.

He called ME (not his own sister) last year to tell me that he was gay. I said to him "Listen man, you're the most important person to my fiance, do you really think I was going to care if you're gay?" then we shared a laugh. He's still the same football enthusiast, golf player, and beer drinker he was when I met him. I think he feels much better knowing that his family didn't mind one bit that he's gay.

 

that depends, some children you can't tell, others you can.... and also again depends on the age

 

Well if you want to find out someone is abusing your child ask them. Don't assume because they are gay or they think they're gay that they're being abused.

You have to be careful with younger people. Particularly boys in the 14 to 17 age group. I've talked to a lot of people who came out at that age. Their parents didn't believe them and in order to prove it to themselves they set out someone willing to have sex with them. And it was typically adults that would do this. there aren't really interested in the relationship they want to see if they really are gay or not. End doing that leads to self destructive Behavior.

If they are prepubescent I would simply ask them what gay means. Generally speaking they would tell you it's where two women or two men are married They Don't Really grasp the sexual part of it. And if that's the case I'd just leave it alone. Children that are being sexually abused tend to have very distinctive behaviors that hint at that. If you want to know what they are I would suggest you consult reputable psychotherapist or their Source material.

Since being gay is more accepted in our culture these days. I personally think it's wrong to sexualize children this age. If they ask things or say things it's probably best to find out what they understand first. You would be amazed at what kids can pick up these days.

 

that is why I said if they came to me talking about being heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual I would calmly try to figure out where this was coming from out of the blue, could be somethign they saw on tv, could be friends, could be an abuser, but I would try to find out more - you have to communicate, to know where to go next, same as if they were heterosexual, you can accept who they are, but you want to make sure they are not being abused at the same time

 

My family doesn't either, my mother simply asked me that happened once. Over the years she asked a few questions but I could count them on one hand.

And I understand parents being displeased with this nobody wants their kid to be gay but I'm going to tell you something that I think a lot of people don't want to say. When gay people find out that they're gay they don't want to be gay either. It's difficult to accept especially if you were raised in a traditional family and I was.

I think a lot of people tell their parents to see if they're going to still love them. We've all heard the stories and seen the lifetime Originals I don't think it's a commonplace thing outside of Jehovah's Witnesses that someone disowns their child for being gay but it does happen. And if you've never talked about it how are they going to know?

That's all you would have to say to a child of yours. I know it's different when it's your child. When I came out to my parents my mother said assuming l had never been with anyone, "how do you know if you have never had sex?" To which I responded I have. And she says okay and that was the end of it. Later on that day she told me that she loved me no matter what and that's the only thing I needed to hear.

I think that that's the only thing most people need to hear.

Yes it is awkward yes it is a very uncomfortable discussion for me as well as my parents. But it had to happen.

That discussion was coming and I knew it and I dreaded it. But after it happened it was like a huge weight had been lifted off my shoulders. I think that's worth the few minutes of discomfort.

 

This really all depends on the age of the child. I would suggest if it was a prepubescent child that confessed this to you to ask them what it means to be gay. If it was an adolescent child if they're confessing this to you they are most likely going to be emotional. Some kids go through a phase. When I was 17 my parents caught me looking at pornography that would indicate that I was gay. And they asked me what this was about and I said I think I might be and they dismissed it as a phase. I wanted to believe them so I did. It wasn't until 10 years later they asked me again.

I would say base it on how they are behaving. Young straight males could go through a period of questioning their sexuality don't want to be gay. They might even be a little freaked out about it. You have to be able to figure out if they really are or not.

I'm not so sure about girls.

I would say tread lightly and that subject. Things you can say can do some damage.

 

I've told this story before on PF and I'll tell it again.

When I enlisted, I went to basic training (OSUT) with a soldier. I could kind of tell he was gay, but he also tried to hide it. I mean, I couldn't really tell he was gay in the moments during OSUT but after when we would go out with friends I could tell.

Two years later I was visiting Texas where he was stationed and I asked to meet up. I had saw on facebook that he had a girlfriend for a while, but they broke up. I asked him about it and he said "I told her the truth after a while. I thought I was straight but I'm not". He had already told his parents. They are from no-where Oklahoma. They weren't happy but after a while they got over it.

The hardest part for him was telling fellow soldiers. Believe it or not, nobody cared. He's a hard-working soldier with an outstanding training record.

He's now an E6 and is a great leader in the Army.

 

Yes you've told me that story before. I have to agree with him the hardest part for me was telling friends. I'm a traditional manly guy. Two of them said they were shocked one of them said they knew. I didn't really lose anybody.

My Approach now is it that people are on a need-to-know basis. I had to tell my friends because there was this guy tagging along with me and and staying in my apartment and they were still trying to set me up on dates.

 

I do not disagree, I would ask them many questions, I would try to ask them in a calm manner so as to get the best information I could and just go where the flow took me

yes, you can tell a teen not to date someone and some will want to date them more - you never know, but if it's a 14 year old and the other is a 30 year old, I would still try to say something, it may or may not help, but it's something