Yes I have read his book and you are wrong about him. There is no evidence supporting such ludicrous theories. Such conspiracies cannot work people always talk.
Somebody who was a "Special Operations Instructor" in the US Marines Corps buys a gun to murder a president. In Texas 1963. He does not go into any supermarket paying with cash but orders it by mail, paying with his credit card, ordering it under a fake name but receiving it to a mailbox rented under his real name and always carrying around a fake driver license carrying that fake name the gun was ordered with. As weapon of choice a Mannlicher Calcano was ordered with a caliber which was only produced for one year and never was used in any other gun. The scope on that gun made it unique in the whole world. With that gun the man carried out targeting practice in his back yard taking photos of himself with the gun with the scope, labelling them "Me atshooting practice in my back yard". The man was unemployed for several years but two weeks before a presidents car passed a schoolbook storage house the man accepted a job in that place and on the morning the president's motorcade passed that house took his gun to his own workplace, shot the president, left the gun and ammunition at his working place and then during plain working day visited a movie theater where he was caught. Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 was the only person in the world in whom a projectile could have been tracked back to the gun and the owner of that gun. That the president accidentially passed the schoolbook warehouse takes the sense out of Oswald accepting a job there. Those "accidents" cannot be foreseen or planned. In addition Oswald did everything that the projectile could be connected to the gun and that gun to himself. That is either suicidal or the evidence was planted. If planted: by whom and for what reason?
Oswald was never a " special operations instructor " or even an instructor of any kind. He was never connected to special operations in any way. Oswald was a radar repair technician. In those days such a technician was little more than a glorified TV or radio repair man. He was trained to replace damaged or burned out vacuum tubes or occasionally resolder a loose wire connection. He did complete basic training and therefore was well trained to shoot a rifle like all Marines. The Marine corps has the best BASIC rifle training program in the military and he qualified as a sharpshooter making him an average shot among Marines which in turn makes him a very good shot compared to the general population most of whom do not know how to shoot a rifle. He purchased a rifle through the mail for reasons which were quite common and ordinary. He had no car and one does not go to supermarkets as you claimed to buy a gun instead one goes to gun stores or perhaps the home of someone who has advertised a gun for sale. Either way this is a bit difficult when one has to rely on taxis or public transportation or bumming rides off of friends. Therefore it is simply easier and more convenient to order one by mail. Much like in today's world using amazon is easier if one has no convenient form of transportation. It was also cheaper which is important if one is supporting a family on a minimum wage job as Oswald was. He also ordered his pistol through the same mail order company. OF course all of this left a paper trail but as noted it made more sense than his available alternatives. He did not buy the weapon to murder the president he bought the weapon because he wanted a weapon. This was actually quite some time before his opportunity to shoot the president and he was living in New Orleans at the time the opportunity to use it came MUCH later. Oswald did use fake IDs but never a driver's license. He never had a driver's license. He liked to fancy himself a spy using fake IDs such as draft cards to build aliases The ammo was in fact widely produced for that weapon and others of the same caliber. The scope was not in the least bit unique nor did it make the rifle unique it was a very cheap scope commonly used on many rifle including the carcano. He never took target practice in his backyard he only posed for photos ( snapped by his wife ) in his backyard. He did not label them as you claim. He lived in cities such as New Orleans and Dallas and one simply does not target shoot with a rifle in a residential backyard even in Texas. He was not unemployed for several years he actually held and quit or was fired from multiple jobs. He took the job at the Texas School Book Depository BEFORE the motorcade route was planned. The planning for that route which took the president past the TSBD was NOT accidental it was in fact the most logical and efficient way to travel from Love field to the intended destination which was the Texas International Trade Mart where Kennedy had a political lunch scheduled. Nothing takes the sense out of Oswald accepting that job as he was unskilled inexperienced and needed a job for a growing family. He did smuggle the weapon into the TSBD in order to shoot Kennedy but probably realized smuggling it out was impossible with everyone looking for someone with a rifle hence his decision to leave it behind. Of course it is evidence connecting him to the crime but that is nothing unusual. Murders are typically solved based on such evidence. Before ducking into the movie theater he had shot a police officer to avoid apprehension. He had to know at the point that the authorities were closing on him and in such a state of mind it is not unusual to take a wild chance on hiding in a dark theater among other movie goers which is what he did. There is no evidence of conspiracies or coverups or inside jobs. It was simply a murder and all the evidence proves Oswald acted alone
The ammo was in fact widely produced for that weapon and oth. ers of the same caliber. The scope was not in the least bit unique nor did it make the rifle unique it was a very cheap scope commonly used on many rifle including the carcano The serial-numbered C2766 rifle, sent to Oswald as a surplus "Italian carbine" in 1963, was a short rifle of this type, manufactured for the 6.5×52mm cartridge. The 6.5mm Carcano M91/38 was only manufactured for one year, 1940, and discontinued in favor of a new 6.5mm long rifle, the M91/41, which was made until the end of the war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle Tiping "rifle calibre 6,5 x 52 mm into Google, BING or whatever reveals "Mannlicher Carcano". nothing else. That rifle "was manufactured for one year" (see above) Oswald asked his wife Marina in late March to take several photographs of him posing in their backyard with the rifle and pistol and holding copies of the newspapers The Worker and The Militant.[10] Three of the photographs were discovered among Oswald's belongings on November 23 Agreed. Only photo shooting, no shooting practice. The De Mohrenschildts later found a copy of one of the backyard photographs, autographed on the back with the message "To my friend George from Lee Oswald," in a record album they had loaned to Marina before the De Mohrenschildts moved to Haiti in May 1963 In order not to confuse the person in the picture it was labelled as above. On the morning of November 23, Klein's found the order coupon and shipping record, showing the rifle was ordered by and shipped to "A. Hidell" at post office box 2915 in Dallas, Texas.That box had been rented under the name of Lee H. Oswald. Oswald was carrying two forged identification cards with the name "Alek James Hidell" in his wallet at the time of his arrest.[ Also agreed. He ordered the gun with a fake name to a mailbox rented under his own name. He also carried around 2 fake IDs (not "driver license") showing that fake name. Route change: that obviously in the meantime came out to be a conspiracy theory. I therefore take back that statement. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/route.htm
This thread is nothing more than Grade 'D' trolling by 911 Was an Inside Job. And the brilliant final touch is him calling others 'trolls'. Pretty good indication: nobody, and I mean NOBODY is so fired-up retarded as to pretend the movie, JFK, is anything more than Hollywood tripe, certainly not a Bible of insights.
It would appear that many people/groups had motive to kill JFK. Fidel Castro, the expat Cubans, the mob, the CIA, the VP, etc., and it is difficult to think that someone so much larger than life like the president could be taken down by a simple nobody. Nevertheless, that is what happened. There were holes in the security and one of those holes cost the president his life. Think of all the subsequent attempts on the presidents. It's always some deranged nobody with a twisted mission. A friend of mine, a sport hunter, said he did not believe in the 'single bullet' theory until it happened to him on a deer hunt. He took aim at a large buck, hit it in the neck with a single shot from about 100 yards. When he arrived at the carcass, there were TWO dead deer! A doe, struck from the opposite side, and the spent slug was recovered in the doe in virtually pristine condition! The bullet had somehow ricocheted off the buck and fatally struck the doe. Kennedy was in fact killed by a single gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald.
The short answer is the Mafia. As to the actual killer or killers that is almost irrelevant. Carlos Marcello was at the time one of the, if the THE most prominent Mafia Don in America and Bobby Kennedy had targeted him. In fact he had deported him once already (the Guatemala) and was about to do so again. Marcello (and the mob in general ) was also heavily involved in Cuba. Both through their casinos which Castro took away from them, and through their documented aid in the CIAs attempts to get rid of Castro. Both Santos Traficante and Carlos Marcello are documented as having admitted their involvement. Johnnie Roselli (Traficanti's man) worked closely with the CIA on numerous Castro Assassination plots. That is documented fact. Ruby was basically OWNED by Marcello and had grown up in the Chicago Mob. Oswald? Was he the shooter? One of a couple? Simply a patsy? Hard to tell but he was certainly involved in the 50s/60s intel world. For starters he was assigned to the U2 base in Assagi Japan (and working on that program) at a time when the U2 was a really big deal. Think Gary Powers. He also "taught himself" fluent Russian while there. This a kid who never went to college mind you. He then gets out of the Marines and goes to Russia? Not only that but he's allowed to return HOME? He also took a number of very short term jobs. All of them kinda odd. He had only been working at the Texas School Book Depository for a matter of WEEKS when the assassination occurred. Huh? Quite the coincidence ... He also made a very unlikely series of shots. I have seem attempts to duplicate them by experts. Their success rate was poor at best. The weapon he supposedly used was a HORRIBLE one. He supposedly missed on his first shot and had the presence of mind to make not one but TWO really good shots on a moving target . A neck shot and a head shot. Through a scop. The first shot though a scope is the easiest. But re-acquiring a target through a scope after shooting and working a bolt is NOT easy. Bear in mind in the Marines he qualifies as Sharpshooter in basic and later only marksman. The rankings are Expert/Sharpshooter/and Marksman. In basic, with lots of practice, he barely made sharpshooter and his skill eroded from there. And the CHOICE of that weapon was really odd. He could have walked into any gun shop in Texas and bought a really good hunting rifle for about the same money he supposedly paid for that Mannlicher piece of garbage. He could have paid cash and there would have ben NO record of that purchase. Of course there was a record of his mail order purchase of that piece of garbage war surplus rifle.
And the really crazy thing is that the cover up was probably initiated in the Justice Department by his brother. Not because his brother was involved, but rather because we were involved in numerous Castro assassination attempts (using the CIA and the Mafia). If word got out from those attempts this would look like retaliation and very serious repercussions would result. Of course the Mafia would have known that and used it to GET that cover up.
Every thread he pleases into becomes such a thread when the germ troll was first invented it was in reference to him - - - Updated - - - Rfk did in fact possess and dispose of jfks brain probably due to a minor cover-up. But that has nothing to do with the assassination itself which never was covered up but instead was thoroughly investigated
Rfk did in fact possess and dispose of jfks brain probably due to a minor cover-up. I'm glad you finally came around on that. It's not exactly "minor" in that it changes everything
Oswald was the only shooter and acted alone. Working at the same base as the u2 is irrelevant since literally gens of thousands worked there and hundreds of thousands went in and out of the same base. The base was shared by all 4 military branches and th cia which had its own sealed off area which Oswald never had access to. Having odd jobs is not unusual and the coincidence means nothing when you remember that the route was planned after he started at the tsbd. This means of there was a conspiracy the secret service itself controlled it. The shots he took were not only likely but easily matched or beaten by endless expert and average shooters. The first shot ( he missed the first shot ) is typically the least accurate. Follow up shots become progressively more accurate and his last shot was the most accurate. You clearly simply ignore the the endless experts and average shooters who match or beat his shooting and focus on the few who claim his shootings were hard to beat. No one said he used the scope for all 3 shots and many have demonstrated it is likely he did not and did not need to. A sharpshooter or even marksman in the usmc is a very good shot compared to others and the shooting was well within his skill range. His skills in fact did not erode he maintained and improved them whenever possible. Just for one example his wife reported he spent many hours dry during and practicing his technique with the weapon. The weapon itself was cheap and crappy but still a deadly rifle and equal to the average us military rifle at ranges less than 200 yards. You are in fact very wrong that he could have gotten a better rifle for less money. He bought it in new orleans not Dallas and better weapons cost a lot more. His choice makes sense when one remembers fact that he was poor loe skilled and with meager resources and supporting a wife and kids. The facts prove you wrong sorry
No it does not and I never denied it. It has nothing to do with jfks death but his life and in fact it worked. JFK was a drug addict and very sick man which tests on the brain would have shown. Rfk knew this and probably sought to protect jfks legacy which he did as many details of his brothers addictions and health did not become lioc for years. This minor cover-up alters nothing about jfks death and no evidencejnks his brother to his assassination
Oswald was the only shooter and acted alone. Working at the same base as the u2 is irrelevant since literally gens of thousands worked there and hundreds of thousands went in and out of the same base. The base was shared by all 4 military branches and th cia which had its own sealed off area which Oswald never had access to. Oswald worked ON the U2 program. Having odd jobs is not unusual and the coincidence means nothing when you remember that the route was planned after he started at the tsbd. This means of there was a conspiracy the secret service itself controlled it. Just an amazing bunch of coincidences surrounding this The shots he took were not only likely but easily matched or beaten by endless expert and average shooters. The first shot ( he missed the first shot ) is typically the least accurate. Follow up shots become progressively more accurate and his last shot was the most accurate. You clearly simply ignore the the endless experts and average shooters who match or beat his shooting and focus on the few who claim his shootings were hard to beat. The first shot is usually the most accurate. Your lack of knowledge of shooting is evident. That is the shot you set up for. You're spewing BS. The only re-enactments I ever saw involved expert marksmen and at least half of them failed. And they weren't shooting at the President of the United States No one said he used the scope for all 3 shots and many have demonstrated it is likely he did not and did not need to. Actually that's the only way he could have done anything. You don't "shoot around a scope" that has one mounted on it A sharpshooter or even marksman in the usmc is a very good shot compared to others and the shooting was well within his skill range. You clearly have never ben in the military You HAVE to make Marksman or you don't get out of basic. It is the lowest score allowed. His skills in fact did not erode he maintained and improved them whenever possible. Just for one example his wife reported he spent many hours dry during and practicing his technique with the weapon. Pure BS. The only record of his scores showed erosion from barely Sharpshooter to Marksman . Do you just say stuff and hope no one notices how wrong you are? The weapon itself was cheap and crappy but still a deadly rifle and equal to the average us military rifle at ranges less than 200 yards. Deadly...but inaccurate and prone to jamming. Why buy that garbage when a better one could have been purchased for cash for the same price with no record? You are in fact very wrong that he could have gotten a better rifle for less money. He bought it in new orleans not Dallas and better weapons cost a lot more. he bought in through the MAIL. Leaving a clear paper trail that wasn't needed unless he was a patsy His choice makes sense when one remembers fact that he was poor loe skilled and with meager resources and supporting a wife and kids. He had some amazing accomplishments for someone with no skills and meager resources. The facts prove you wrong sorry Your "facts' seem to be sorely lacking
No Oswald did not work on the u2 program he had nothing to do with it at all. The u2 program was strictly a cia program and he was a marine and nothing more. Serving at the same huge airbase is irrelevant and that is his only connection. Sorry your assertion is insupportable and false. Coincidences are normal and common. No sir it is clearly you who knows nothing about shooting. The fact that you claim the first shot is most accurate proves you get your information from movies like JFK which is where that assertion was dreamed up. Snipers call the first shot a cold shot because it is the most difficult and most likely to miss. Another term you would know if you knew anything about shooting is Kentucky windage. Kentucky windage is very common and works by adjusting the point of aim when th first shot misses as opposed to adjusting ones sites. This is because the first shot is typically the least accurate. Yet more facts destroying you. His drop from sharpshooter to marksman reveals more a lack of trying as his score as a marksman came shortly before discharge and he did not gain by trying for a higher score. However the fact that we know he practiced intently for a long time debunks your claim. No I am correct and easily proven so. Decent rifles cost money a better rifle a LOT more money. Any casual check of retail prices of the time shows that even a used Winchester model 70 or 94 or a Remington m700 or garand started at at least $100. He paid less than $30.00 which again is important when one makes minimum wage and has a family. This is also important when one remembers fact that he had no car. Shopping around for a good deal requires ease of travel which he did not have making it more sensible go buy through the mail.Once again it is you repeating long debunked garbage and facts prove you wrong. Stop watching old movies. He was no Patsy and no evidence shows he was one
Yea...Oswald did work on the U2 program. and yes it's odd for a marine to do that. It's also odd for a marine with no college education to teach himself to be fluent in Russian while there. Coincidences happen. A couple of coincidences is odd. Oswald's life was a long string of "coincidences". Dude...the first shot is the one you set up for. It is almost always the most accurate. In fact missing on the first shot usually makes later shots more errant. You clearly have never shot anything other than a sling shot Snipers? One shot one kill. Who are you kidding? Now you're claiming that his drop off in accuracy is due to laziness? Please dude. That's just "say anything" type of argument (like basically everything else you've posted). However the fact that we know he practiced intently for a long time debunks your claim. BS...please post a link to that. It's simply not true
No he did not work on the U2 no matter how much you try to assert such a ludicrous claim. His military service record is public and makes o mention of any such work or assignment. He was strictly a Marine trained in radar repair which at the time was very simple. He was only stationed at a very enormous base shared by all branches and with a small CIA area which was sealed off and which he never had access to. The first shot is typically the least accurate and that is simple fact as I pointed out this is why terms such as cold pore shot and kentucky windage exists. Those simple facts are evidence and you have no knowledge or facts to support your absurd claim. In fact sniper schools and sniper training reinforces the fact that the first shot is the least accurate. It is one of the many reasons for such training to exist and one of the major hurdles is overcoming the inherent difficulty of the first shot. Sniper students in the military fail the training for many reasons and one of the most commonly cited reasons is failure to get an accurate first shot. You know nothing about shooting except what you have heard/seen in movies and that is clear. Yes people in the military get lazy no surprise there. No I am stating facts and you hate it because the facts prove you wrong. I cannot cite a source for practicing making one better because that is simply what the definition of practice is. He was known to practice with his cheap rifle extensively. His wife testified to the Warren commission that he spent hour upon hour for months dry firing his rifle aiming at a spot he drew on the wall of their home. This is the sort of thing a shooter would learn in the marines and it actually enhances and improves ones skill. It also served to familiarize himself with the specific action of the rifle making him faster with it. He was unable to practice with live ammo much but did one the occasions he could afford to. Sorry but that ruins your claim that his skill eroded at least in any significant fashion. It is true he would have been better had he practiced more with live ammo but not enough to matter since the shooting of kennedy was very easy and well within the skill range of any average shooter. Much less a trained Marine who has tried to keep up his skills which he did. Once again the facts destroy your claim Everyone's life includes a long string of coincidences but of course you vastly exaggerate the ones in his life.
I find it pretty funny that for all your pompous claims...you never post a shread of proof. And your claims get sillier as yo go. The first shot is the least accurate? That's a hoot all by itself. You've never had a rifle in your hands...have you... And his wife initially said she NEVER saw him take practice. EVER. When they pressed her...and they pressed her hard...she said Lee claimed to have gone for target practice maybe a couple times...but she never saw it. Your exaggerations are very close to lies. Oh and claims are not facts. You should learn the difference.
By the way The first shot is typically the least accurate and that is simple fact as I pointed out this is why terms such as cold pore shot and kentucky windage exists. Those simple facts are evidence and you have no knowledge or facts to support your absurd claim. In fact sniper schools and sniper training reinforces the fact that the first shot is the least accurate. It is one of the many reasons for such training to exist and one of the major hurdles is overcoming the inherent difficulty of the first shot. Sniper students in the military fail the training for many reasons and one of the most commonly cited reasons is failure to get an accurate first shot Mind telling us where you got that from? Unless you just dreamed it up.
I have far more experience shooting than you which is why you believe what a movie tells you. The claim that he worked on the u2 program is what requires evidence which none exists for. I have cited evidence several times which you have never read. His wife made no such claim. She testified he routinely practiced by dry fire. Tell me what Kentucky windage means and why it exists? It demonstrates you are wrong. The first shot is typically the least accurate particularly if one realizes one is likely to be arrested or killed for firing at the president. It is likely that Oswald thought of this and it affected his aim. Once the first shot is fired however he is committed and can follow up with more relaxed better aimed shots.
From years of shooting experience which you lack. Sorry but the actors line of script in the movie JFK that the first shot is always the most accurate is false and made up out of thin air. Again explain why shooters sometimes use Kentucky windage if the first shot is always more accurate and explain why the term cold bore shot refers to a more difficult shot? I'll wait
Another related fact which conspiracy theorists get wrong is the scope. Many have correctly stated that the scope oswald used was found to be mis- aligned with the barrel (not broken or defective as so many ct fools claim ). This was discovered AFTER it was examined in detail by more than one law enforcement agency. Which means dis-assembled and re-assembled. This means one or more of the technicians in the FBI or Dallas police are responsible for it being mis alinged. Which in turn means we do not know of it was or was not properly alinged (/zeroed ) when Oswald shot Kennedy. However if it was not zeroed when he shot Kennedy it further explains the first shot which missed. He easily could have hit Kennedy as he did using the rifles iron sights. If he missed with the scope on the first shot it is logical to conclude he would have ignored the scope and used the rifles integrated iron sights for the second and third shots which also would have shortened the time if took for him to get a good sight picture and fire.
It's clear as a bell that you have never even held a rifle in your hands. your unsubstantiated claims don't even rise to the level of "silly". They're just absurd. "Relaxed better aimed shots"???? After missing on your first shot at the President of the United States? I doubt that Carlos Hathcot would have had that much presence of mind
As far as the scope...it was not disassembled and re-assembled. Please point to a report that notes this. There is none. It is your fantasy. It was found that it could not have been adjusted. It was missing a shim that would compensate for how poor the scope was . It was missing that shim when it was in the TBD when Oswald supposedly fired it. I wonder how he managed to miss that problem with all those "hours and hours" of practice you claim he had (but never happened). And obviously you never fired a rifle in your life. You don't "shoot around a scope". It's in the freakin way.
I have more experience than you who has only watched movies. I did substantiate them you can like a coward from specific questions which substantiate what I said. Anyone would react that way psychologically. On e the first shot is taken you are committed and may as well follow through. At that point people relax. Pretty normal and not just for shooting. Athletes often are nervous of tense before an event or game but it goes away once the event or game begins. Common reactionaries and you know it hence your baseless denial
Rifle was dis assembled and re-assembled which includes removing the scope . The Warren commission report clearly shows this so yes you are wrong again. It was found to be missing that part after disassembly and re assembly it was not proven to be missing it in the tsbd. Sorry you are proven wrong again and again you know nothing about rifles. I never once said he shot AROUND the scope your accusation that I said or implied that is yet another lie proving your ignorance. So since you are ignorant of rifles read this carefully. While MOST rifle scopes are mounted above the barrel SOME SCOPES are mounted to the side at an angle. This is because on some rifles the scope mounted above the rifle will interfere with the fired brass being ejected. This is precisely the type of scope on Oswald's rifle mounted to the side. This leaves the iron sights clear and easy to ignore the scope and shoot accurately without it. This is likely what he did especially since he had a lot more experience and training using the sights as opposed to a scope. But keep in proving your EXTREME ignorance of rifles.
