Your Opinion, In 500 Words, What Happened To JFK?

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oswald killed JFK, that is quite evident. Could Oswald have been put up to it by some outside influence, maybe but doubtful. There in lies the key, the word doubtful.
     
  2. Lesh

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    Again...a series of claims with no proof.

    Rifle was dis assembled and re-assembled which includes removing the scope .

    Please cite report of this. A link would be nice. That is not what I have read

    The Warren commission report clearly shows this so yes you are wrong again.

    Please not page

    It was found to be missing that part after disassembly and re assembly it was not proven to be missing it in the tsbd.

    In fact that exactly the opposite of what was reported. Your claim is that these investigators for so incompetent that they would disassemble a scope and leave parts out of the reassembly? If they're that incompetent then we can't rely on anything they claim. That didn't happen of course.

    Sorry you are proven wrong again and again you know nothing about rifles.

    You've "proven" nothing. You just make pompous incorrect claims

    I never once said he shot AROUND the scope your accusation that I said or implied that is yet another lie proving your ignorance.



    So since you are ignorant of rifles read this carefully.

    While MOST rifle scopes are mounted above the barrel SOME SCOPES are mounted to the side at an angle.

    This particular rifle did have a side mount. But that doesn't mean the SCOPE was off to the side. A scope HAS to be mounted so that it is above the barrel or it can't function.The scope had a side mount was was OVER the barrel.

    This is because on some rifles the scope mounted above the rifle will interfere with the fired brass being ejected.

    That's true of a Winchester...which means the scope is mounted AHEAD of the ejection port. This is a mauser action which ejects the spent cartridge to the right.

    This is precisely the type of scope on Oswald's rifle mounted to the side.

    Wrong as noted above

    This leaves the iron sights clear and easy to ignore the scope and shoot accurately without it.
    Wrong as noted above
    This is likely what he did especially since he had a lot more experience and training using the sights as opposed to a scope.

    He had virtually no training. Why would he have a scope if he wasn't going to use it? Simply absurd.

    But keep in proving your EXTREME ignorance of rifles.

    Yea Mr. Kentucky Windage. Sure
     
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    well looks like I am going to have to take you off my friends list if you are not being sarcastic and actually being serious the fact there is not a shread of evidence oswald did it but plenty that it was a conspiracy.:roflol:

    you may be a professor when it comes to sports but if you seriously think oswald is the lone assassin,you have done no research other that reading what the warren commission has told you or what you read in american history classes.lol

    strange that you can admit corruption exists in sports yet you somehow think oswald shot JFK despite the lack of proof.
     
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    this is an old dead thread,why did you have to resurrect it?
     
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    I have seen enough tests, reenactments, etc. to include firing an exact replica of the rifle Oswald used that pretty much ruled out any other shooter. The History Channel has had several documentaries along with the Discovery Channel on JFK and the assassination to in include all the film available along with the audio tapes. Tons of experts have gone over them.

    Where I have my doubt is with perhaps other countries or leaders of other countries being involved especially a look at Castro. Dallas took place right after the Cuban Missile crisis and if there was a link to Castro or Cuba, that might have lead to WWIII. LBJ in my opinion put the clamp on the investigations out of fear for exactly that. Hence so much of it became classified. Could someone else fired the three shots from the Book Depository, I suppose so. But I have no doubts shots came from there. If so Oswald could have been a patsy, set up.

    But so far there is no evidence for that. Although it is possible.
     
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    One more time.

    You willfully and childishly refuse to read the WC report. You have no clue what it says but believe what ever you hear about it in gullible fashion.

    It proves you wrong so keep.your eyes shut and ignore it. You will not even fact check just to see if what you have been told about it now true.

    They detailed nd interviewed the investigators who stripped and examined the weapon and put it back together including those who found Oswald's prints on it. Only after that was the problem with the scope discovered.

    No sir you are dead wrong and once again proving ignorance of firearms. The scope can be and sometime IS mounted to the side which does NOT as you claim make it impossible to use. The location of the scope on his rifle was canted to the left if viewing the rifle from behind. Once again this is sometimes done to allow expanded brass to clear the rejection port without striking the scope and causing a jam

    The simple fact is you are wrong and any photo of the rifle proves it
     
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    Your notes are wrong and proven so.

    I notice you have no clue what Kentucky windage is you can like a coward from answering proving you know nothing about weapons.

    Answer up what is not how does it work and why or you prove my point .

    Just because he had little training in use of a scope does not preclude buying and using one.

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    The proof is overwhelming and you run from it .

    King troll has entered to declare victory when he and his friends are proven wrong.

    Every time he says someone has been beaten he is willfully lying

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    Lbj put no clamp on the investigation he started it and gave it free rein and instructions to find the truth and nothing more.
     
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    I notice you have no clue what Kentucky windage is you can like a coward from answering proving you know nothing about weapons.

    Kentucky windage is a means of ignoring sights. If your shots are consistently off in one direction you adjust your aim to compensate

    Cold bore refers to the phenomenon that long distance shooters and match shooters notice that makes the first shot "sometimes" slightly off because of a lack of fouling in the barrel.

    So your idiotic claims are that Oswald takes a shot and misses...badly..so he adjusts his aim via KW and his rifle becomes more accurate because it has now fouled slightly...and he makes two perfect shots? (and that assumes he cleaned that rifle to the point that there was no fouling in the barrel. He didn't own a cleaning kit...at best had "pipe cleaners")

    Just fact it. You're all over the place.

    That would be hard for a friggin sniper to pull off. Oswald was no sniper. In fact there's no real evidence that Oswald had fired a rifle after scored so poorly in the marines.
     
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    I'll give you that one. The scope was mounted along side the barrel. See? That's how you admit when you're wrong. Try it some time.

    But it's kinda odd that having "taken so much practice" as you claimed Oswald did (he didn't) that he wouldn't have already been aware of the scope problem and removed it or replaced/repaired it.

    Now...what page of the WC Report has the investigators clumsily taking apart the scope and "forgetting" to put the shims back in....?
     
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    oh please,LBJ put the clamps on the investigation and handpicked the members himself because him and his pal Nixon were involved in it up to their ears.that was why Ford got rewarded the office of the presidency and arlen specter senator of pennsylvania for their particication in the coverup.:roll:

    please,there have been tons of books and documentarys out there that have exposed that it was a conspiracy and they have never been able to prove oswald did it.

    you all those documentarys on the history channel and discovery channel you saw obviously endorced the lies of the warren commision and left out many facts.

    the history channel and discovery channel used to be objective on it but now they never show an opposing view anymore. one they used to air that exposes there was a conspiracy was a really good one called the men who killed kennedy.

    those so called experts you mentioned are on the governments payroll. many witnesses who came forward and gave versions different than the governments ended up dying mysterious deaths,plus there are some witnesses still alive today who are really old who wont even come forward and tell their story of seeing a gunman behind the picket fence out of fear for their lives after seeing so many people who gave conflicting versions different than the govenments wound up dying mysterious deaths.

    you obviously believe in magic bullets then if you accept the lone nut theory of the governments.:roflol:
     
  11. Soupnazi

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    No that is none of my claims or what I have stated .

    You falsely accused me of calling you a liar which I did not. I statEd fact that you lied about me by willfully misquoting me you did so and are found it again.

    Read what I said and do not draw implications or attempt to spin.

    It is fact he missed the first shot which is typically the least accurate .

    I have stated and continue to repeat we cannot prove exactly why he did but it is typically the least accurate shot and many logical reasons exist why he would.

    I never hinted that he used kw I brought that up simply because it demonstrates that the first shot is more likely to miss. The term and practice exists because the first shot is typically the least accurate.

    Cold bore refers to more than simply a possible object fouling the barrel it refers to the fact that the shooter may not be entirely comfortable and ready to shoot which is what sniper training is designed to correct. The sights may also be off as well.

    The term covers many such difficulties with the first shot and further demonstrates why it is typically the least accurate.

    Oswald missed the first shot not badly but by a matter of inches.

    Many causes and reasons exist for this one possible reason is the scope may have been misaligned. It would have been simple for him to ignore the scope on the second and third shot and get more accurate hits with the iron.

    Did he actually do that? We cannot prove it either way which is why I said he MAY have and it is a logical analysis.

    He also may simply have missed due to nervousness and relaxed for the second and third shots which is common.

    Either way there is nothing mysterious, strange,magical or abnormal about such shooting.

    Unfortunately the evidence proves he was the only shooter.

    No evidence of any kind supports a conspiracy.

    The only bullets recovered were proven to have been fired from his weapon.

    The real magic bullet is the invisible one which left no sounds because all the wounds are easily shown to have come from his rifle.

    The real magic bullet is the one never recovered which is alluded to by simplistic and stupid brainwashed theorists like 911 who is here contaminating the thread.

    So next time stop trying to spin what I said and address whatbi said as I stated it.

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    It was an easy shot any average shooter could make and he was above average.

    Thanks proven fact MANY experts and average shooters have matched or beaten what he did easily
     
  12. Lesh

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    He was a lousy shot according to his marksmanship records in the Marne Corp and numerous actual experts have tried to recreate those shots under much easier conditions and less than half succeeded.
     
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    speaking of documentarys,instead of watching the governments documentarys and THEIR version of events with paid goverment shills posing as experts propagating their BS Perotista,here since you are into documentarys,watch these three ones here.nobody has ever been able to debunk the facts in them that there was a conspiracy with multiple shooters. and the evidence here that oswald was innocent.:grin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2agPurqFJk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j35UxRKDW-s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZdd7aIDW9M
     
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    and dont forget there have been former CIA operatives that came forward and said he indeed worked for the CIA and that the greatest marksmen in the world said he could not have done it.:roflol: must be a bummer being a lone nut theorist coming back to get taken to school everyday with egg on your face:roflol:
     
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    The CIA has a habit of putting out relatively easily debunked fabrications to make it appear as if all are of equal value. The driver did it...Jackie did it..a guy in the sewer did it....etc.

    And then they have the Gerald Posners and McAdams of the world.

    There's no denying that the parts of the CIA were in bed with the Mafia through Cuba and the Mafia certainly had motive.

    As far as the actual shooters...you can't hire a shooter for a job like this unless you can assure him that someone else is going to take the heat off them. That's Oswald. The fact that there was a broadcast description of him in minutes after the shooting is beyond belief. And the fact that no one really can pinpoint where that description came from is even weirder.

    Who were the actual shooters? Oswald may have been one...if he was he was probably the one that missed.

    Where were they?

    The other side of the TBD from Oswald...The DalTex Bldg, and the Grassy Knowl



    That's almost irrelevant. Rosseli was supposed to be but it appears he backed out. Possibly Nicolletti.Possibly Lucien Sarti. Probably James Files
     
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    No he was an average shot in the marines.

    The marines have the best basic rifle training program in the military.

    A below average maine shooter is better than most civilians.

    Most experts and average shooters have beaten or matched hos performance anyone can you are simply wrong and dreaming up claims like less than half from thin air.

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    No there never were any such formed cia agents.

    When evidence proves you wrong you lie but we knew that
     
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    You have no evidence that the cia has created such tales.

    The description came from co workers and was not weird.

    He was the only shooter you have yet to provide any evidence of any kind of another one.

    Planet made few mistakes and you cannot refute his conclusions
     
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    I absolutely agree with you.

    Most of the History Chanel re-enactments were put up jobs.
    Reconditioning the Carcanos (which of course Oswald couldn't have done)..
    minimizing the fact that even reconditioned Carcanos jammed frequently.
    Using experts shooting at stationary targets and still missing quite often
    Minimizing the fact that many of their moving re-enactments failed to hit their targets even though they were experts

    They even showed one re-enactment where they shot into ballistic jell that had bones in it to simulate the rib and wrist bones of Connolly and when the bullet came out all SORTS of damaged...pretended that it somehow made their point.

    And what really got me was the supposed computer re-enactment that moved Connolly to where the Magic Bullet could have hit him. They put both him and Kennedy in places that no picture showed them to be in order to make that work...including moving Connolly CLOSER to the rear.

    It would have been nice if thery would have documented what the actual car's dimensions were...but of course they didn't because that would have destroyed their computer re-enactment.

    They did have a piece on Lamar Waldron's book. I would catch that one. It's pretty spot on.
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    As far as JBJ...I doubt he knew ahead of time about it, but after the fact he had plenty of reason to continue the cover up. I believe Bobby did as well although with Bobby the motive was more altruistic than JBJ.
     
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    You're wrong on LBJ not knowing ahead of time that it wasnt going to happen.Im not so sure how much he was involved in it or if he was involved in the planning of it or not but he knew beyond a doubt it was going to happen.

    according to his mistress there was a party the night before the assassination and Hoover,Nixon,and LBJ were all in a room together and LBJ came out of that room where they were all in for a meeting and gripped her arm tightly and said-after tomorrow,that bastard kennedy will never embarrass me again.Thats no threat,thats a promise.

    It was no secret that LBJ hated the kennedys with pure hatred.so did his pal Hoover.everybody in the white house knew it so theres no reason to doubt LBJ's mistress.

    Plus according to many people in the white house,just before they got in the motorcade there was a loud disturbing shouting match between LBJ and Kennedy because LBJ was so fixated on having his buddy John Connolly ride with him in his car and have Kennedys friend who he hated as well Senator Ralph Yarbrough ride with Kennedy. In the end,LBJ dd not get his way and Kennedy did of course with Connolly riding with him and Yarbrough riding with LBJ.

    Thank god that Kennedy had his way because a fact that the mainstream media suppressed is that according to Yarbrough,just before they entered dealy plaza Johnson was talking into a CB radio in his hand and was crouching down covering up what he was saying so Yarbrough could not hear what he was saying.

    Yarbrough is also backed up by one of the motorcycle police officers riding the parade.He also noticed that and said that Johnson was one jumpy son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that he was ducking down crouching down just before they entered dealy plaza and both Yarbrough and the police officer both said just about 10 seconds before the shots rang out,Johnson ducked down immediately to the floor bed.

    those are the actions of someone who knew exactly what was going to happen.

    im surprised you did not know about any of this considerng your extensive research you have done on this.
     
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    I'd be interested in reading the Yarborough accounts. Do you have a link?
     
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    ask and you shall recieve.:thumbsup: wasnt sure if I could find it or not since it was from a couple of books I read it from but thats the good thing about technology in the internet age.:thumbsup:

    as you can see from the photos here in this link,Yarbrough was correct in his statements he gave that LBJ ducked just before the shots rang out and here is the statement of the motorcycle police motorcycle officer who along with many other motorcycle officers saw LBJ duck as well.they all backed up Yarbroughs statement.


    Dallas Police Officer Billy Joe "B.J" Martin said that according to his fellow motorcycle cops "who were escorting [the Vice-Presidential car] he [LBJ] started ducking down in the car a good 30 or 40 seconds before the first shots were fired..." He said, in reflection upon the moments before the shooting, "our new president is either one jumpy son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) or he knows something he's not telling about the Kennedy thing."
    http://www.jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/index.htm




    LBj's buddy Nixon was involved in it as well up to his ears.He changed his story many times when the press asked him where he was that day when JFK was shot.everybody in the world who was old enough back then,can remember EXACTLY where they were at the time JFK was shot when they heard the news.Everyone except Nixon of course.:grin:

    A certain magic bullet theorist here can only whine and cry in defeat knowing he has been checkmated not mature enough to admit defeat.:grin:
     
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    Interesting. I still don't believe that Johnson was involved in the planning but it appears that he may have had knowledge beforehand.

    He certainly benefited from it
     
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    yes indeed he did.He at least had prior knowledge about it thats for sure.Makes you wonder how much Nixon was involved in it as well because you knew that Nixon had deep ties to the mob and the CIA right? Nixon as a congressmen in 1947 pardoned Jack Ruby from the unamerican house activities and while he was vice president under Eisenhower,he ran covert operations for the CIA that were so secret even Eisenhower was not aware of them.

    Nixon was deep in bed with the CIA and pals with LBJ,they served on the senate together in their prior years.I assume you have seen all those videos i posted in post#114?
     
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    Intelligence agencies killed Kennedy. And it can be proved. This film proves that Oswald was murdered by the secret services, because
    Jack Ruby did not shoot Lee Harvey Oswald
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh3zvoj9HVc
    It did intelligence agent. Those who seized Oswald killed him. And it means that they are also killed Kennedy.
     
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    No it cannot be proved.

    There is no evidence to support your hypothesis.


    Ruby killed Oswald that is fact and the video you linked to fell flat and bombed trying to prove someone else did.

    Reminds me of a total fool who used to run around screaming that he proved the limo had killed jfk.

    Video after video showed no evidence of the driver killing JFK but the ass clown kept screaming that it did.

    Your video shows ruby and no one else shooting Oswald while the narration makes fictional claims.
     

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