Your opinion on Assange

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Do you think it would be a bad thing if Assange were sentenced to 15 years in the U.S. ?

  1. Assange revealed things Americans have a right to know about, and does not deserve prison

    30 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. Assange deserves a long period of prison in the U.S. for revealing damaging secrets

    4 vote(s)
    8.9%
  3. He deserved punishment, but the time spent hiding in the embassy is punishment enough

    3 vote(s)
    6.7%
  4. It might be bad, except I believe Assange is a rapist so I don't care about his fate

    1 vote(s)
    2.2%
  5. Not sure / don't know

    7 vote(s)
    15.6%
  1. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

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    I want to see where and how Assange got the Hillary emails from and who his contacts were. More just for curiosity sake but I am guessing his closed door testimony could be catastrophic for the DNC.

    He might wind up as another Hillary casualty who commits suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head with a shotgun. :) :roflol:

    Funny how Trump got him out and Obama couldn't. Maybe Obama didn't want him released in fear of what he was hiding.
     
  2. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay.

    Me...I just as soon not have gravity. I don't bounce like I used to when I was younger...and sweeping the wood-burning stove chimney requires that I get up higher than the lack of bounce permits.

    We have less personal privacy today than we had yesterday, Durandal...and we will have less tomorrow than we have today. That dynamic continues.

    We can fight it.

    We can fight gravity, also.
     
  3. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Equador's other president was no longer in power, and the new one probably relented to threats and pressure from the US. Otherwise the police could not have gone and and remove him.

    IMO, if assange can prove russia was not his source of emails, but it was an insider, it would make most of congress look like idiots, or liars, and so I doubt they will even ask assange. After all, assange already made the offer that if he would not be arrested, he would appear before congress to prove it wasn't a russian hack. This would have shown our intel evaluation to be BS, and the beliefs of most in congress to be BS, and do you think either would want that? ha ha ha
     
  4. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

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    It would also do one of two things to our FBI and Intel agencies:

    1) Make them look inept.
    2) Discover they lied and hid the truth to keep the damage to Hillary and the DNC at a minimum.

    If it gets out, with irrefutable proof, that the emails came for a DNC source and not the Russians, people in the FBI will go to prison for lying. It connects directly to the fake dossier and to the narrative that Trump colluded with the Russians. It also proves that the investigation into the Clinton emails was corrupt and biased and a complete farce.

    James Comey knows the truth and I think he is very worried right now. I think he has been worried this day would come just like Assange knew his days of freedom were getting smaller by the week.

    As far as Congress goes, I think there are very few real Americans in there. Most are political hacks and are more concerned with protecting themselves and the status quo. They like getting paychecks and unbelievable healthcare at the expense of the people without getting anything done that actually benefits us. They could be doing a ton more.
     
  5. Col Howard Talbot

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    Things have gotten bad if it is a crime to report a crime. And that is what Assange did. He discovered and reported the crimes and atrocities of some members of the U.S. military.
    The real criminals want to silence and imprison those who expose them.
    His "crime" is to be a journalist, and to do what journalists should do, to gather information by whatever means, and reveal it to the world.
     
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    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

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    Good point. What if CNN obtained those emails and put them out? Would someone have gone to prison too? What if CNN got a hold of all f Trump's emails and it turns out he was as treasonous as Clinton or Obama. Is it OK to print and release them?

    I think Assange and his extradition to the US is going to do horrific damage to the DNC, James Comey and Hillary Clinton.

    Hillary was in NYC freaking out the other night. She is outright scared.

    Like, Lori Loughlin, scared.
     
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  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Constitution still grants the federal government power to determine the laws at sea, even on non-U.S. citizens.

    (Let's not get off-topic here though)
     
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  9. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The prosecution will argue he did not have the right to tell Manning how to steal that information. If they can even prove he was the one who sent that alleged message.

    Though that does set an interesting legal precedent. Does it become a U.S. crime for an Australian citizen (in another country) to tell someone how to hack into a U.S. government computer?
     
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    They will probably load up the charges as they did with manning. Once they get him here.

    I figure if they, we, get away with it, and lock him up for decades, the dead man's switch will trip and the good stuff, the maximum damaging stuff he has will be revealed to the world. Justice might have the last word.

    Anyone aware of what the extortionists were doing to wilkileaks, those in spain? MSM has not mentioned it, and you have to listen to the news conference wilkileaks had right before assange was handed over by the new president of equador. Here, in case you are interested. It seems that once the new president was elected, the embassy turned assange into a Truman Show, even copying legal papers between assange and his lawyer, and everything being recorded. Somehow some people in spain got all of the goods, and were asking 3 million euros from wilkileaks for the cache of what spying yielded....

     
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    You mean they might have something more interesting than some guys in gunships mistaking civilians for enemy combatants? I can hardly wait.
     
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    anyone subject to US jurisdiction has recourse to our federal Constitution.
     
  13. Reasonablerob

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    Surprising result. Personally I think a laughable figure who believed his own hype.
     
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    Now, now - the topic isn't Trump...
     
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    Assange is in prison, Trump's in the Whitehouse.
     
  16. Pollycy

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    This is a multi-faceted situation, even more complex than the situation back in 1971 when Ellsberg and Russo outed "The Pentagon Papers": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers . Oh, man -- there was hell-raising, indictments, and all kinds of controversy over that, and I remember it well!

    Still, it is probably best that Assange goes through essentially the same 'process', before a court of law. If there are SPECIFIC charges, supported by SPECIFIC evidence, he may be found guilty. If he is justified in having acted as an investigative reporter, he may very well be found innocent of all charges. We don't know, and that's why we have to put it all before a judge and jury....
     
  17. Moriah

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    Who died because of what Assange did? I hadn't heard of this before.
     
  18. Moriah

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    But, didn't Obama commute the sentence of Chelsea Manning? Why would he help Manning, and fear Assange?
     
  19. BuckyBadger

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    Assange knows how and where he got the Hillary emails and other information.
     
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    OK. Thank you.
     
  21. GrayMan

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    no one that I know of. I was just making a point.
     
  22. Moriah

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    OK.
     
  23. One Mind

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    Yes, unarmed people, with two of them being reporters for Reuters.
     
  24. Reasonablerob

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    Rubbish, Assange doctored the footage so you didn't see the RPG teams and man armed with a rifle. Totally justified shoot.
     
  25. GrayMan

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    is that what the government claims or did we see this video?
     

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