Your position on Legalizing drugs

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  1. Observing

    Observing Well-Known Member

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    In the Caravan/asylum thread the question of legalization of drugs as a Left Wing idea came up. I responded and noted that it was more of a RW libertarian position than one of the left.

    I believe the drug war is a total failure and ruined cities and many minority lives. It is only now that with the problem becoming more of a white one is the issue getting a response other than building jails.

    What position do you hold on extending the legal freedom to use drugs such as alcohol and nicotine to other drugs.
     
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    I think some of the so-called hard drugs probably should be criminalized, but I haven't figured out how to decide which ones. Or maybe "illegal" but not criminalized. Marijuana has no business being illegal or criminalized, let alone a Class 1 drug. It's history makes this obvious. Plus it being a gateway drug is irrational; all heroin users drank milk before becoming addicts. (And no, for the record, I don't use marijuana, not that this matters.)
     
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    Thank you for responding. My belief is our drug laws only serve to make criminals rich. This program of it is ok to use Alcohol and nicotine but nothing else is just stupid. We are making citizens almost unemployable due to having a criminal record. The need for addicts to spend 100-250 a day to support a habit with drugs that can be manufactured for pennies is obscene. Addicts then commit crimes and cost taxpayers billions to incarcerate. Never mind all the victims of the crimes!
     
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  4. Andrew Jackson

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    Legalize Cocaine.

    It sucks to have to worry about getting busted when you are having a great time.
     
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    I want all drugs legalized and provided to the public at no charge to the general
    public.

    I want as many overdoses as possible, to reduce our surplus population and get rid of riffraff.
     
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    All true.
     
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    I disagree with your assumption that drug legalization is a "RW libertarian position". The Libertarian Cult always has a booth at Hempfest, but that is more to try to convert more suckers, not to support the legalization efforts. Of course I've always had to stop to point out that libertarianism is just conservatives deceptively using the language of liberals.

    Anyhow, take a look at the map of the states that have been legalizing marihuana. The greenest states are also the most blue. In fact there is a West Coast marihuana bloc. California, Oregon, and Washington, some of the most liberal states, have all legalized. The best marihuana in the world, is grown in Oregon. But then, the Willamette Valley, between the climate and fertile soil, it is the best place in the world to grow anything and everything. It is why the best and the most Christmas trees also come from Oregon.


    You all must realize that Republicans don't like freedom. It is the party that is fueled by conformity. If all the blacks and Hispanics would just conform, and dye their skin white, learned to speak better English, and all the liberals got in line, it would be a Republican paradise.

    Here in very liberal Oregon, I can grow marihuana on my back porch, and smoke the end results with impunity. In the most red states, it would get me years in prison.
     
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    I agree with your stance on drugs, but you have tie cause bassackwards per usual for the progressive La-La Land left..
     
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    Opiates are similar to heroine, yet legal. But look at the problem opiates are causing.

    But pot and perhaps cocaine, not a lot different than alcohol, IMO.
     
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    You, as most people, have no idea what the drug war actually is.

    You think its totality is making drugs illegal and locking them up but in actuality it is much, much more complicated than that.

    Its involves everything from yes, arresting people, to drug interdiction, rehabilitation, prevention, actions against foreign governments.....anything we do to combat drugs is part of the drug war.

    Public service messages are part of it, high profile people speaking out against drugs is part of it...…..so when you claim that you want to end the drug war you are claiming you want to end all these positive programs we partake in.

    Passing opioid legislation to cut back on deaths?

    Yep part of the drug war.

    And you are against it.

    Just sad.
     
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    Pot, should have been done so a long time ago.

    Cocaine is tough because I know people who got strung out on coke and ruined their lives and families. It can take over your life.

    Narcotics and Meth and the opiods, no. Instead of criminal prison for users, treatment, rehab. Hard labor for dealers.
     
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    How often does forcing someone into treatment work?

    Seriously?

    You want to waste all that money on someone who doesn't want help?

    This is the problem Portugal is having.

    People hate their forced rehabilitation.
     
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    Pot yes. Meth, Coke and Heroin? Hell no.
     
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    The court, what do you do with all the strung out homeless people?
     
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    Make Darwinism work for the greater good. Give them the free choice of true death at no charge.
     
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    I like that.

    FREE Cocaine for Me (and Dearborn Girls) when we are turning the basement of the Mosque into a Hoover Convention.

    Where do I sign?:salute:
     
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    I can tell you that drugs are legal, from your dealer the doctor, dentist and mental health professionals....
     
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    With all of the obesity we need to outlaw food...
     
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    I have already voted to legalize pot. I certainly would consider reducing sentencing or changing the way the criminal courts deal with must drug use to incorporate more drug treatment aspects and more creative options as opposed to just punitive measures, but I have not been persuaded to take the libertarian position of legalizing all drug use.
     
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    the only part I agree with is the public service announcements, just like cigarettes. Drug users should be pariahs like cigarette smokers are. you smoke cigarettes people think you are an idiot. Should be the same for Drugs.

    Some people confuse the problem with opiate addiction. It is not being addicted that is the issue it is the cost of the addiction and the illegality of the act. Not many die from the overdose of prescription opiates but fentanyl laced heroin which is 1/2 the cost of black market percs and dillaudid.

    Being able to support your habit prevents the crimes that result from illegal drug prices. The profits from thier drug use will support rehab and not organized crime. Look at Chicago to see our failure in the drug war.

    People are ok with spending $25-50,000 grand a year to lock up kids/young men selling street level quantities to support their habit.

    These same young men that go to jail now become unemployable when they get out.

    For what reason is beyond me.
     
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    I'm all for legalizing everything, as long as people who OD pay for their own healthcare and their belongings are confiscated if they harm someone while under the influence. Stupidity should be painful.
     
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    I am in chronic, debilitating pain in my lower extremities all day, every day. These stupid opioid laws make it impossible to get the meds I NEED. So because some tweeker took enough fentanyl to kill 3 horses, I have to suffer. No, **** that.

    I am COMPLETELY opposed to the war on drugs, and basically always have been. I believe the side effects of that are worse than the drugs themselves.
     
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    So make it cheaper to lock them up.

    I could do it for pennies on the dollar.

    Its the liberals who insist on quality imprisonments.

    Prison should be a punishment, not a waiting period to simply get out.
     
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    My statement was rhetorical.

    I support opioid usage.
     
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    Criminal and illegal are the same thing. It's mean's possession of it is a criminal offense.

    Decriminalization is the what you are referring to. This means you can be fined for possession, but that politice do not active police it and that no arrests are made unless other crimes were committed such as illegal dealing, DUI, etc.
     
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