Your position on Legalizing drugs

Perhaps I have a problem with the government becoming drug dealers.

Why do people turn to heroin? Legal prescriptions handed out like candy by doctors get cut off.

You know that's who will control it, just like they're controlling the pot shops.

The government will, in effect, become T-Bone and Ivan tha Killah, dispensing death to a larger audience.

 

That is still a better scenario, a more just one, than the current criminal justice system we have.

And you are correct, patients who are prescribed narcotics are abruptly cut off. There is not an appropriate system in place for this issue at the moment.

 

I won't go into the criminal justice stuff, that's a whole other thing.

It's not that they're cutting them off that's the problem. The problem is that they're getting addicted in the first place.

What could go wrong with the government spreading the usage of highly addictive, and deadly, substances and making them freely available to all......and profiting from it?

I would argue that many of the problems in society are due to the drugs they are pumping into the population at breakneck speed.

Being addicted is the root problem that causes all the rest.

 

Doctors aren’t evil. Unfortunately, some medical conditions, necessary procedures, and especially surgeries, hurt, very bad. Laparotomy, thoracotomy incisions, total joint replacements, to just name a couple big examples.

We live in a period where people expect everything for little to no effort. They want a painless fix to the problem they ignored for years. But that’s not all patients, just a lot of them. Some are dealt a serious bad hand.

Anyways, narcotics are needed for people. They’re a useful tool. Admittedly, medicine is getting better with a multimodal approach for pain, but in instances like the aforementioned procedures, they’ll still hurt, bad. So they need pain coverage, it’s just not possible without them.

The issue is self-administration of the medicines at home. People are awarded with a euphoric feeling. That’s addiction. And because of the stupid crackdowns on prescriptions, people are being abruptly cut off after forming an addiction. The weaning and pharmacological rehabilitation isn’t implemented. That’s the problem.

 

I'm not suggesting they're evil. There are many reasons it happens. Ignorance. Greed. A belief they are helping.

Regardless, it doesn't excuse the ignorance of what is happening with regards to opiates and narcotics.

That's right, we do live in that period. A period in which people will do things just because they're available, like try heroin for the first time. The rationalization is, hey, it's legal, they wouldn't make something legal that would hurt me, right? Wrong.

I agree that the whole implementation, or lack of it, is a problem. That was sort of my point.

I also see how that will go very badly by putting heroin next to the tylenol.

 

The drug problem is caused by bad law passed by typically ignorant legislators, and supported by bureaucracies whose very existence depends on the prohibition, and by other agencies such as the CIA who participate in the black market created by poor legislation.

 

We are talking generics drugs not brand name and bought in large qty. The chemicals used in Oxycodone are cheap and as cheap aspirin. https://www.goodrx.com/oxycodone 120 for $22.81. That is enough to last a heavy user 10 days. Street value of each pill that that addict takes is around $40-50. so right now to get that same 120 pills he has to pay $5,000 every 10 days. How much crime is that.

Recreational Drugs will be sold along with Alcohol, same criteria

I don't get why you mention alcohol and driving. Are you saying that users will be driving more- maybe as most would still be able to be employed as with alcoholics. There will be an uptick in driving while impaired. I grant you that, when you mention 4.2 mill are you saying they drove over the legal threshold? I am very surprised at that, or are you saying that 4.2 mill had a beer with their burger and drove.

legalizing recreational drug use will not create a utopia, it will have some downside. But the opportunity to cut the national crime rate in half. To stop the epidemic of Fetynal laced deaths. To stop drug funded gangs from making our city streets a war zone. A drug prohibition that has 1 in every 4 black men imprisoned. Addicts both alcohol and "meds" having access to getting help, instead of building prisons to house them. These benefits outweigh any uptick in driving related fatalities caused by addicts being able to stay employed and maintain a car. .

 

Will they be cheaper?

Why isn't legal marijuana cheaper than illegal marijuana?

https://priceonomics.com/the-most-expensive-and-cheapest-cities-to-buy/

Read the article. It says impaired to where they should not be behind the wheel.

Is it your belief that if drugs are legalized the gangs running around murdering other people will have an epiphany and go back to college?

 

First, it is legal to take 25 aspirin at the same time, "hey its legal, they wouldn't" stupid or troubled people are going to look to hide,now they do it with pot and alchol.

First pot is not legal federally and Pot companies can not get typical financing. Pot sold in stores is typically a lot better quality that street. Why any serious user of pot not just grow it themselves in those states like Oregon and Colorodo is beyond me. Buying clones and a grow tent for $500 will get you a couple of pounds in 3 months.

No, I don't think they will go back to college, many however will join the workforce as there will be no money to be made in drugs. The ones that continue to steal will be met by a police force that no longer spends the majority of thier time on drugs cases, they will be more prison spaces and sentences for violent offenses can be maxed, as they won't be let out due to over populated prisons. Some people will sell drugs now to make money that would not even think about breaking into a person's home or sticking a gun in someones face. Young poor people see selling drugs as a way to make serious money that they would not normally be able to make.

 

Sure it is, but taking 25 aspirin is to commit suicide. You don't need pills for that, there are plenty of options if you want to kill yourself.

Pot is legal in the entire state in which it is sold. Why is it the same price as illegal weed in other states? As to why they don't grow their own, is it legal for them to do so? It's not in WA.

The government is going to be your drug dealer. That's all that's happened.

I'd say that thinking murderers and drug dealers are suddenly going to join the workforce is naive. The criminals during the prohibition era simply turned to organized crime in other areas.

If you're the kind of person who would kill someone for money, it doesn't matter if it's from drugs or something else.

 

I agree, sociopathic criminals are going to remain criminals. The diff is that law enforcement free from drug prohibition can concentrate on these sociopaths. There is a portion of our society that are sociopaths, drugs being legal is not going to cause these people to be model citizens. It is going to stop normal citizens who only crime is drug use creating a market and a business niche for them. Gambling has been pretty much taken out of criminal hands with the online betting and state lottery games. What criminal endeavors are left for them, nothing that is as lucrative as drugs.

I don't get the Government is your drug dealer refrain.

 

And I don't get the price of pot legal vs illegal issue. Right now the number of pot dispensaries are very limited, limited availability will increase the price. I don't think anyone thinks the prohibition on pot makes any sense.

 

that sounds a wee bit self rightious as well as twisty...

what mac said was that as long as gov funds (aka his & our tax dollars) are being used to buy drugs (its easy to get cash for wic & other pa funds) that is his & our business... but if they arent using gov funds then sobeit, let them live their life as they wish

edit: i think that those that use pa money to get drugs they should face stiffer penalties than those that use their own money... they should be charged with embezzlement, theft of services as well as drug charges...

 

Aren't they concentrated on the same people now?

You don't get that the government is jealously guarding it's licenses to sell marijuana so they can sell it for the same price it costs illegally?

The truth is, the government could put whatever price they wanted on heroin, and the addicts would pay.

You seem to think that the government is going to be beneficent in dealing with drug addicts.

 

Thats like saying that the traffic death problem is caused by governemt passing laws against bad driving

 

Drug addiction is not driven by the government but rather by drug dealers and drug users

 

maybe we should make those drugs available for free, set up 'clinics' that serve them to anyone standing in line, one dose at a time

 

Amsterdam says hold my coat...

 

Actually not Mac. You offer a poor and invalid comparison.

Traffic laws are not in any way a prohibition like the drug laws.

 

This is somewhat true

Government only regulates the use of motor vechicles

But thats the way it goes with drug addiction where drug addicts are incapable of self restraint

 

It's totally true--comparing traffic laws with prohibition laws is comparing apples and oranges. There is no comparison.

Nicotine and caffeine addicts live perfectly normal lives, and society easily accommodates both those habits. Drinking coffee is very much a social ritual. Some say America runs on dunkin' donuts.

 

yes the gov supports drugs & actually assisted the cartels in bringing them here, this is a known quantity, & now they just 'turn a blind eye' towards it...

the exact, remote, locations of all those poppy fields & manufacturing plants are well known, ergo they could easily be eradicated with very minimal effort and cost, yet no gov wants it to be done... think of it in economics sense, illegal drugs drive the economies of countries, including america's...

 

So you think the government is going to price addictive drugs at a price that would folster crime? Pot sure, no one is going to steal a old lady's pocketbook to buy a gram.

And again, there are no licence fees to grow your own. As I said earlier you can buy 6 clones and a grow tent for $400 and have 10 lbs of pot in three months.

And you can be sure that the 40 mill pot smokers are going to pay the freight for hard drug addicts rehab treatment.

Last year 70,000 people died mainly due to fentanyl laced blackmarket drugs.

 

Of course they will price highly addictive substances for as much as they can get. I can point to the price of legal marijuana again if you'd like.

WA doesn't allow personal cultivation at all. One state says you can't grow any if you live within 25 miles of a "dispensary". Nearly all of them state you can grow a few plants with specific counts on how many you can process at a time.

Last year 90,000 people were killed by perfectly legal alcohol.

 

Yeah that sounds about right.