Your position on Legalizing drugs

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  1. Mackithius

    Mackithius Well-Known Member

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    Wrong wrong wrong.

    If heroin was made legal, or decriminalized, I’m still not touching it with a 10 foot pole. I would guess very few people would go out and try it just because it’s legal. If you’re going to do something that invasive to the body, laws won’t deter you more often than not. This is the fool’s argument.

    Secondly, decriminalization or legalization of heroin will markedly decrease the price. You are correct in that violent crime involved with these drugs typically is related to the person’s need to satisfy their addiction. Since it’s illegal, we put all the economic power in he hands of drug dealers, which can charge much more, and have these addicts on their knees, risking life and limb to get their drug. Take away that power, lessen it, and when the financial burden is much less for these people, violent crime will decrease. Admittedly, OD will probably increase, but that isn’t our problem. That’s the price of freedom.

    What is our problem is the price of the drugs on the street. I care about the people these addicts are harming. And I care about getting those addicts medical help, not throwing them in jail.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Teenage behavior since forever.
     
  3. Observing

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    So they experiment- what business is it of yours?
    But it doesn't bother you to be on the road with drunks?.
    pot is not addictive, and you can grow your own if you wish.
    I spend $15 a day on Coffee and Lunch when I worked.
    How much does a bottle of generic tylenol cost, about 3 cents each. Do you think Wall mart could sell them for 25 cents each and make a profit?
    So you punish crimes that they commit. There are 35 million heavy drinkers in the US. Most would never think about driving drunk, And if you are weak and don't get treatment you suffer for taking drugs and doing alcohol, whose fault is it, not mine or yours. Legalizing drugs is not just for the benefit of the user, but for the benefit of the rest of society. All these inner city gangs are tied to the black market in drugs. We are jailing one in 4 black kids due to drugs- Kids can not play outside in cities- what could be worse than that.
     
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    I am not a true Conservative, change or die. Why do you think they added a provision for amendments.
     
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    So if you drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes you can vote, but if you do other kinds of drugs you can't. What about people that eat meat?
     
  6. Mac-7

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    The topic here is illegal drugs not booze and cigarettes
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thanks for an honest answer.

    I think it's a slippery slope getting into the "beneficial" v. "dangerous" semantics. Recall that aspirin can kill.
     
  8. Observing

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    No, one of the topics is why are some drugs such as alcohol and cigarettes ok, but not others. We know that prohibitions on alcohol did not work.
     
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    The topic s “Your position on Legalizing drugs”
     
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    Yes it is, I am the OP. The issue is that in light of what we know already when we gave up on prohibiting Alcohol 100 years ago, due to the crime and the non-enforceable aspect of making it a crime for drinking a drug. (Please Alcohol and nicotine is a chemical like any other drug)
     
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    Alcohol has a 6000 year history at the center of human culture

    The idea was noble but it proved to be a difficult addiction to break

    Drugs have never been as prominent as booze but were once legal in the US and other civilized parts of the world

    But they proved to be far more damaging to society and were outlawed beginning about 169 years ago
     
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    Beneficial isn’t absolute. Everything in medicine is risk stratification. And all drugs could kill. So it’s arguing benefit for some, vs risk of abuse, and if abuse, does OD cause death. The “beneficial” ones I mentioned, like the psychotropics or marijuana, they’re not going to cause apnea if too much is taken. Not like narcotics or alcohol.

    Ketamine, a brother to pcp, for example, is actively used, in increasing frequency, for depression. Marijuana has a well documented benefit with neuropathic pain, chronic pain, depression and terminal cancer.

    So, admittedly, I liberally used “beneficial” and “dangerous”, but I’m approaching it from a clinical perspective.

    Tylenol - extremely dangerous medicine that’s added to a lot of products. Cough syrup, narcotics. Why that drug is still legal I don’t know...
     
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    Just as 85% of those administered LSD in clinical trials, when followed up questioned years after, considered their experience to have been beneficial.

    We agree on much I think.

    Prohibition is bad, simply put, for users and non-users alike, for supposedly democratic societies.
     
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    Yes, I believe we’re on the same side on this issue. I agree with everything in that post.
     
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    That is not what happened in Portugal.
     
  16. Observing

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    And the only result of the prohibition is the drug problem we have now. Where Law enforcement has said that 1/2 of all crimes are committed in the sale, use or procurement of drugs. That is 1/2 of all the crime in the US because of a prohibition on drug use.
     
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    The drug problem is caused by junkies who are hooked on drugs
     
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    You're fine with a nanny state, so long as 2/3rds agree.
     
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    Addicts don't even use 10% of the illegal drugs in the US. Most of all drugs are used by recreational drug users. But even those drug users contribute to violent crime among sellers. What about all the guys who got hooked on opiods for pain management and then got cutoff and were forced to go to street drugs so they would not get dopesick.

    The problem is not the user but the law. There is no reason for the prohibition., The state has no right on what you you should put in your body. Already in NY they want to ban soda
     
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    If dope users were free to freeze and starve under a bridge without any tax dollars being spent on them I might not cate what happens to them

    But the existance of the welfare entitlements makes drug use my business
     
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