Yovanovitch gets standing ovation at the end of 5-hour hearing

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  1. Bush Lawyer

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    I'll have one more attempt. You are on strike two, facing three, potentially. This question has zero to do with Trump being the bloke in charge. It is a simple question. Let's see if you can 'man up' and credibly answer it.

    Why would those in the regular channel have confidence in ongoing vital support from contemporary POTUS and Admin if they were aware that some thug wankers like Giuliana (et al) had the endorsement of POTUS to go about undermining them?
     
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    YES, I recall all of that. :applause:
     
  3. Robert

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    This is not found in the American media. But let's review some of what Trump has done for Ukraine.

    https://ua.usembassy.gov/remarks-by...n-island-class-patrol-boat-transfer-ceremony/

    November 13, 2019

    Deputy Minister Petrenko, Admiral Voronchenko, members of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, ladies and gentlemen:

    It is my great pleasure to be here today to transfer these two Island-Class Patrol Boats to our Ukrainian partners.

    The addition of these boats to Ukraine’s naval fleet will expand the Ukrainian Navy’s operational capacity and response potential to defend the nation’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

    The boats will also provide greater situational awareness in the Black Sea, increasing the security of Ukraine’s coastline and shipping lanes, and they will help Ukraine to prevent smuggling through its waters.

    And all of this will significantly enhance Ukraine’s maritime defense capability.

    These boats are just a small part of over 1.6 billion dollars in security assistance the United States has provided to Ukraine since 2014.

    These vessels, the Starobilsk and the Sloviansk, are a gift from the American people, through the Excess Defense Articles program, but they were refurbished with Ukrainian defense funds.

    Ukraine’s contribution to the refurbishment and retrofit of these vessels, and its eagerness to train its crews alongside the United States Coast Guard, is a clear demonstration of Ukraine’s commitment to the region’s defense against Russian aggression.

    From the beginning of this crisis, the United States and its European partners have been united in defense of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

    Secretary Pompeo’s Crimea Declaration of July 25, 2018 was a clear and unequivocal statement of U.S. policy: we do not, and will not, recognize Russia’s purported annexation of Crimea.

    Our Minsk-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia fully implements the Minsk agreements and withdraws from the Donbas.

    And our Crimea-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia returns control of the Crimean peninsula to Ukraine.

    As part of our continuing support to Ukraine, I’m also pleased to announce today that in addition to these two Island-Class Patrol Boats that we are transferring here today, the United States will provide three additional Island-Class Patrol Boats: United States Coast Guard Cutters Ocracoke, Washington and Kiska, to further increase the Ukrainian Navy’s capabilities.

    The United States will continue to provide security assistance to support Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression, not only for training and equipment like the Island Class Patrol Boats, but also for defense reform advisors and support across military ranks to assist Ukraine’s development of a capable and professional fighting force.

    As Ukraine’s strategic partner, the United States is proud to provide training, equipment, and advisory support to assist Ukraine to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity and realize its NATO aspirations. We will stand side by side with Ukraine every step of the way on this path. Thanks to all of you for being here this morning to mark this important milestone in our security partnership. We look forward to having another of these ceremonies in the not too distant future. Thank you very much.
     
  4. Bush Lawyer

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    Come on!!!! This is your question. You are out, but I'll give you a Mulligan.

    Why would those in the regular channel have confidence in ongoing vital support from contemporary POTUS and Admin if they were aware that some thug wankers like Giuliana (et al) had the endorsement of POTUS to go about undermining them?
     
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    Those in the regular channels are not in charge of foreign policy. Your question betrays your fundamental lack of understanding.
     
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    The answer is directly above.
     
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    From Germany comes this report about Yovanovich.

    One of her predecessors, John Herbst, described her to the British Guardian newspaper as cautious and meticulous by nature and as "someone with great integrity."

    There is evidence that she may not have been best of friends with Zelenskiy when he was presidential candidate: The latter, in the same phone call with Trump, was quoted as saying: "It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador, because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best, as she admired the previous president [Petro Poroshenko] and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new president well enough."

    https://www.dw.com/en/who-is-former-us-ambassador-to-ukraine-marie-yovanovitch/a-51267254
     
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    Yes, that is an answer. I am asking you for a responsive reply, dealing directly with question.

    Why would those in the regular channel have confidence in ongoing vital support from contemporary POTUS and Admin if they were aware that some thug wankers like Giuliana (et al) had the endorsement of POTUS to go about undermining them?
     
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    How do we know what he's saying is true? He's just as bad as the fake media.
     
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    May be silly in your viewpoint but I know there are many out there who would agree with my viewpoint on this.
     
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    IOW's voting for the BLOTUS in 2020 would be the equivalent of aiding and abetting a FUGITIVE to EVADE JUSTICE until AFTER the statute of limitations has been reached! :eek:
     
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    NONE of the above justifies your BLOTUS using EXTORTION by WITHHOLDING Congressional approved aid for his own PERSONAL political benefit.
     
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    Your BLOTUS invites hatred by being such a DETESTABLE person.
     
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    Giving away a one way ticket to Cyberia will save you a lot of wasted time on non responsive posts because it worked for me. ;)
     
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    Nifty. 'Cyberia.' :)

    Nah, I don't do that 'ignore' stuff. I'll keep chipping away. One day, these blokes will have an epiphany, but I will not be holding my breath. The funny thing is......I am simply vehemently anti-Trump. not anti-Republican and certainly not anti-USA, but given the way some here carry on, you'd swear I am the Devil incarnate. I am not, you know.
     
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    The binary emoting that if you are not with us then you MUST hate America has been around for as long as I can recall. During the Vietnam war there was the inane "America, love it or leave" slogan against the antiwar protesters. After 9/11 if you didn't support the Bush/Cheney warmongering regime you were a "terrorist-lover". It is all just meaningless pablum that seems to appeal to a subset of the electorate that ironically accuses others of being "low information voters".

    My own political yardstick is to ask does the policy/rhetoric/behavior/legislation/ruling help or harm We the People. I can even allow for minimal short term pain for long term gain in order to achieve the positive long term goal. What we have today is both short and long term harm to We the People unfortunately. Hopefully there are enough members of Congress who will uphold their Oath of Office and try to stem the tide until We the People get to vote in 2020.
     
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    Because Trump already knew they were Clinton wankers.
     
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    Vote for who?
     
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    Peabody...what US State do you live in? I am on the east coast of Australia.
     
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    So a dozen Kurd's dying is all you care about vs the thousands who died due to Obama's foreign policy?
     
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    I know, it reminds you of the con job pulled by Schiff doesn't it? I am thinking that Schiff may be a Nazi name in fact.
     
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    Obama abandoned the Libyans is what happened. However, our troops are not in uniform to fight for the Kurds.
     
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    People just can't stop with the talking points can they? In order to be extorted you have to KNOW that you're being extorted. You have to know that Democles sword is being held over your head. In this case all three witnesses so far have stated unequivocally that the Ukrainians did not know that the aid was being held up until a month AFTER Trump asked them for those investigations. This is fact. No extortion. No bribery. No quid pro quo.
     
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    Your BLOTUS nefariously BLINDSIDED the Ukranians with his extortion demands.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/world/europe/ukraine-trump-military-aid.html
     
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    They hate Trump as a person.

    But even more than that, they hate Trump because he doesn’t bow down to the ruling left-wing establishment in Washington. Trump doesn’t accept their legitimacy.
     

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