Zimmerman Trial (Monday July 1st) ~ Continued...

This is a continuation of the current/old thread, that is well past post limit, and about to be closed.


Old thread...



http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/309454-zimmerman-trial-monday-july-1st.html


Feel free to continue the discussion.

 

Before the trial, I thought manslaughter was a possibility. Today, I believe that if the State cannot prove M2m they can not prove manslaughter.

By Florida law, the Defense has the option to ask the judge to remove manslaughter as an option for the jury. It is a crapshoot, as the jury may then be forced to declare M2, but it is an option.

 

I can't believe the State isn't bringing up any of that great evidence that has been mentioned here on this forum. I haven't hear pop-up sprinkler theory yet.

 

Pathological Liar (Pseudologia fantastica, mythomania)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjRp-vIvTNg





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_2NeMrGCvg

 

It is kinda difficult to convict someone who was defending their self.

 

at this point I would say 70% acquittal 30% involuntary manslaughter 0% murder 2. But then I thought Casey Anthony would still be in prison and Obama would lose the 012 election, that is why I don't gamble..... ever

 

Or the "cheap gun recoil" theory.......or the "space aliens" theory........

 

I can understand and relate to a parents concern and dislike that George shot a 17 year old but that doesn't make the malicious prosecution right. Even teenagers need to be responsible and not attack people.

 

Your phrasing is a little off. You made it sound like the judge would encourage a manslaughter verdict. That is not the case, the judge cannot influence the jury in anyway. However, I believe you were meaning that the judge could instruct the jury the a manslaughter verdict is an option.

Florida also has what is know as a "jury pardon" or "jury nullification". If I understand it correctly, they jury can rule this case as a manslaughter, but apply a light or no sentence to the verdict.

 

Under Florida law doesn't the prosecution have to actually charge the defendant with 'manslaughter'.......I could be wrong but I heard that somewhere the other day.

 

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No, they can reach a verdict on a lesser charge. However, the judge can declare the lesser charge as not a option to the jury after deliberations.

 

I think that the prosecution has to request that the judge include manslaughter as a lesser included offense.........the judge/jury doesn't just do this on their on.

 

I was kind of right, but not completely.

Manslaughter HAD to be on the table prior to the trial:

I thought it is alway included in Florida. Does anybody know if manslaughter was included in the charges?

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You are right. See my post above.

 

The thing is, if Trayvon had gotten the gun away from Zimmerman and used it to kill him, this would not make the news.

Zimmerman would be just another victim of black violence, in a morgue, and buried at a funeral attended only by his friends and family.

Trayvon would have prosecuted for murder at a trial attended by no one but his mother, and then he'd do life and no one but him and his mother would ever care.

And that's what happens 99 out of a 100 times.

So this time the victim got lucky, and lived, and the black aggressor died.

And our society punishes the victim and forces him into hiding.

Its disgraceful and disgusting.

Every one on this forum who is participating in persecuting Zimmerman, I am disgusted at you personally.

You are doing Satan's work when you persecute this innocent man.

 

what is next? are we going to start putting battered women and rape victims on trial who defend their self? geez....

 

Frank Taffe is a friggin idiot....i'm watching him on HLN....i get that he is trying to defend his friend, but if i were GZ i would as him to shut the F*&k up....He's acting as though he and Z are one in the same person on HLN....how the hell did this guy get his 15 minutes of fame from this whole thing???
BTW....based on what i've seen so far, though i do think there have been a few things in favor of the state, i would be very surprised if Z is convicted. The one and only thing that this case is about is who was the aggressor (and NO this does not include who was on top of whom, that frankly doesn't meat jack to me..) but i don't think the state will have any actual evidence showing/proving that z was the initial 'physical' agressor.

 

Overall, it's for Zimmerman to live with.
The outcome of the case seems destined for aquittal but he knows he's guilty.
The kid did not deserve to die and lost his life at 17 because a grown pursued him because he wasn't walking fast enough on his way back to his dad's girlfriends house.
Hopefully God, fate or karma will judge him.
It's also extremely sad that so many people carry such bigoted hate due to a kid because of his skin color. If anybody would like to explain, why do you have such hate for minorities namely colored people.

 

Only you. You are the only person who thinks this is how its going to end. None of the evidence even shown indicates manslaughter, thats just a wish.

 

Zimmy needed a gun otherwise he would have just got his ass beat.

 

That is exactly what this witch hunt is about......sending a message to the White populace that, if you defend yourself from the onslaught of black violence in this country, that you will be vilified by the government and media......and put on trial for your life.

 

Wrong. I believe if SHOULD end in manslaughter.

Whether it does or not depends how intuitive and unbiased the jury is. . .whether they can detect the CLEAR lies of Serino who was obviously pressured into saying what he said.

And.. .on what the prosecution still has in its pocket. . .like the gun forensics

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Why do you need to continue to bring everything down to your obsession with racial hatred?