Christianity and our Nation.

I'm fine with however you chose to live your sexual life as long as all involved are consenting adults.

The fetus may be dead. It may have no brain. It may have some other terrible disease or condition that precludes life past a very short time. Etc. There are conditions where a fetus has bones so brittle that they break during normal gestation, let alone during or after birth.

This really is YOUR problem. You need to verify that NO such problems EVER exist, before making medical solutions criminal.

Maybe you think a woman carries a fetus to the last minute and then decides to kill it without medical justification, and that there are doctors who would do that.

But, that is a preposterous notion. A late term abortion is invariably heartbreaking.

 

You are confusing YOUR relationship with your god with a demand that government enforce YOUR beliefs. And, by your beliefs you don't even include the beliefs of all Christians - just your beliefs.

Multiple religions declare their god to be absolute and infallible. Then, they use that "fact" as an irrefutable argument for something they claim their god demands to be forced on ALL through the power of government, regardless of personal beliefs, including religious beliefs.

We have religious freedom. We have democracy. It can not work the way you want.


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We do judge behavior however. Jesus will be the ultimate judge of individuals.

They do encourage abhorrent relations in that they often promote them to leadership and condone their behavior. Romans 1 addresses those who condone the behavior. They prefer darkness to light. God loves individuals and they should come to Jesus as individuals, not in a cause to glorify their behavior.

As I said, Chromosome type does not govern behavior. An individual may have a propensity to a behavior but it is up to that individual whether or not he engages in that behavior. Some have a propensity toward alcoholism. Some may have a propensity to Compulsive disorders. Some may have a propensity to voyeurisms as some have a propensity to satisfy their lusts in other ways. It is their choice whether to indulge.

 

Just a side note: LBGTQP++ has become a religion in most leftist circles. It contradicts many of the faiths of others. Don't you think it is a bad idea to be preached in government?

 

and Jesus acknowledged the woman sinned, not just mankind. She was caught in the act for crying out loud. Jesus forgave her of that but commanded that she stop. What is interesting is where is the man she sinned with? Her accusers chose not to prosecute him. Perhaps they were guilty of the same sin.
Question for you.....Do you acknowledge sin in any way or is that for an individual to decide what is sin? How should government decide without God?

 

Then why does the procedure call for sucking out the brain? The answer here is very simple. Godly people want to preserve life. Both the life of the Mother and the child. Both should be protected. The mother, being fully developed, always takes precedence if there is no choice. Abortion will be extremely rare applied only in those circumstances. However, those who have held power want it legal for convenience or any other reason. They do not in the least consider the life of the innocent. That is because they hold the position to keep God out of government.

 

It's all about what you can provide convincing evidence for and no one has been able to provide me with convincing evidence for a god in almost 40 years

 

How should the government decide without God?

Pretty much the way it's doing it right now...and has been doing it for over 200 years.

 

How so? No person provided me with convincing evidence that God is real, that he lives, is divine, and in whom is my true life, rather than life in myself or in my life alone. No person awakened me to a remembrance of God and put a new light in my sky. That is my evidence to you.

 

?? You judge what is sin or God judges what is sin?

Do you believe our laws, created by our legislatures, prevent you from living the life you believe you should live?

Yes, they are Christians. They just don't precisely share your views on some topics. Using our laws to force them to change what they believe makes no more sense than them using our laws to change what YOU believe. And, both you and them would state that our laws can not change a person's religious beliefs.

Using our laws to change religious beliefs is a fool's errand. Before the USA, it is what Protestants and Catholics tried to do - demonstrating the catastrophe of mixing religion and government.

Your last is not true. As a strong rule, humans do not choose their sexual orientation. And, describing sexual orientation as a "compulsive disorder" is an absurdity coming from religion, not science.

Christians have tried to "help" individuals change their sexuality, and that direction has failed - failed so badly that it has been made illegal in many places due to the physical and mental abuse that it involves.

 

I said nothing about our government. This is relative to a six thousand year old Jewish law regarding slavery that Nwolfe35 was complaining about.

 

You're asking the population to accept that you have the absolute, irrefutable answer while you having NO evidence.

That is not good enough when it comes to you demanding that the government enforce your view on all others.

 

Nonsense. It has NO elements of being a religion.

And, it is not being "preached" other than the work to ensure that those who have sexuality that isn't strictly hetero are allowed full citizenship in America.

 

Sin is a religious concept. You can decide what sin is, as can everyone else.

We have freedom of religion. So, your view of sin might not be the same as that of someone else.

Our laws have limits. They do not describe sin. Greed and envy might be sins, but they aren't laws. The 10C aren't law.

 

WIERD post.

The head size is reduced to allow for less trauma in extraction.

As explained earlier, late term abortion takes place when it's too late to save the life of the fetus.

The mother makes the decisions. But, the prospective mother may not prefer he own life over that of the fetus. She may reject treatment for a life threatening illness when the treatment would damage her fetus - thus likely surrendering her life for her fetus. For example, chemotherapy would be deadly for the fetus, but would be required before the birth in order to save the woman's life.

Yes, the late term abortion you and others like to focus on IS rare. Right now!

NO! Late term abortions ABSOLUTELY DO consider the life of the "innocent".

 

Asking someone to treat their slaves well IS an encouragement to believe that slavery is OK if you treat the slaves well.

Obviously, that is false.

 

So you reached a conclusion that something exists with no objective evidence. Your subjective experience is not going to convince anyone else but you.
Why do you think that is?

 

Human beings have rights.
A collection of cells no bigger than a sesame seed is not a human being.
A fetus unable to survive outside of the womb is not a human being.

 

God Judges but He has given us precepts for which we should live to have the most productive lives and achieve happiness and freedom from the bondage to sin. That is why true Christians have a right to influence government to insure that freedom. That is why we stand against your drive to rule out Godly precepts and thought completely from government.

Secularists have mutilated, castrated, children due to their sexual dysphoria and have profited immensely from such procedures. These things are irreversible and now a 15 year study has shown that "dysphoria" has resolved among children by the age of 26 in all but 4% without such mutilations. These are "barbaric" acts put on by the bankrupt morals of secularists in the name of their newfound "RELIGION"! https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/we...n&cvid=3f578f245c9943bc8ff3d6efb180eb96&ei=73

Of course it does. It has it's own moral code based on a belief system, it has a name, as well it has books that justify the tenants of it's faith installed in centers of public education.

You judge using todays standards. Thousands of years ago, lawyers, scientists and people of all trades attached themselves willfully to clans of ruling status for security and survival. They were called "bond servants'. Probably the vast majority of slaves. You would do well to study context. Of course there were slaves that were conquests of war whose lives were spared so that they may serve at the quests of the victors. God did not authorize the latter type of slavery. These slaves were taken against His instruction. ....Laws according to man.

I would tend to agree with you here on "a collection of cells no bigger than a sesame seed". Why is abortion extended to these cells with a beating heart and the ability to feel pain? Why is it extended to beyond the 1st tri-mester for convenience? Is it because it may disrupt someone else's life? Does that justify ending life? A life that can be nothing other than a human being? A "baby" that cannot survive outside of the womb deserves a chance. We don't destroy life because a Doctor claims to be God and determines. We strive to save life. If the baby is dead in the womb, the safety of the mother is all that needs to be considered.

Perhaps we need to get real and redefine abortion. In the rare instance the Mother's life is at stake, hers takes precedence over the baby. We do all we can to save life. If we don't, the "individual rights" we in America hold so dear are in decline and results in the decay of our culture as we are now experiencing.

 

Yes, and as Benjamin Franklin stated- "Our system of governing is designed for no other than a "religious people". In your system, everyone decides for themselves. Every law on the books is a "moral decision". Some laws are just. Some laws are designed to gain power and rule over others. Whose laws are just? Your laws or my laws? Governor Newsome in California just signed a law into effect that mandates new wage increases on every business other than the ones he has interest in. What a creative way to eliminate the competition! If God's laws had been considered and the morals He has instituted this would never be considered....... "Love your Neighbor as yourself". You will have none of that apparently.

 

Beating heart is such a misnomer.

By pro lifers they define "beating heart" as an electrical impulse in the cells that will eventually become a heart. There is no heart in a fetus at 6 weeks. Furthermore the whole idea of a "heartbeat" making something human is also lacking in any merit. Whether someone is "alive" is a function of brain activity. We "pull the plug" on people all the time that have heartbeats but no functional brain activity.

Many things are "alive" that are not human. We are not about to start assigning human rights to oak trees though.
A cow is alive but that doesn't stop us from killing it so we can eat it.

 

Why do you pretend to not understand? When you wake up in the morning, do you conclude that life is real and thus create reality or are you awakened to that which already exists and acknowledge the truth. And does the whole world stand at your bedside in testimony of the new day, or do you know for yourself without all the trumpets. If you go about saying good day, and someone says what's so good about it, do you question your conception and consider yourself abrasive? Can you prove to that person that the day is good. If they refuse you, does the day cease to be good. You know what you know, even if the whole world is yet to awaken. I know God lives because I asked and the merciful God heard me and sent his spirit to me.

 

True, and some of the laws that “agree” with the Bible do so precisely because they came from the Bible or are consistent with Judeo-Christian law, philosophy, ethics, values, traditions, etc.. Furthermore, to focus exclusively on our laws/statutes misses the wider influence these things have had on the Founding and our society, and as far as government is concerned, I think one gains a greater appreciation of this when they examine the development of Western Individualism, Liberalism and rights doctrines.

Of course you can, just as the Medieval friar and logician who is credited with developing the first individual rights doctrine in the West, William of Ockham, asserted that we can discern our inherent and inalienable natural rights through our faculty of Reason (or Right Reason, if you prefer).

LOL, and *gasp* this is where religion has served a positive and useful role in society.

Heck, the laws and regulations in this country aren’t even dependent on the Constitution and the language they are written in anymore, much less Biblical scripture, which reinforces the fact that our laws are dependent on the arbitrary fiat and caprices of people, i.e., public officials, which is a huge step backward for us. When the people of Ancient Athens began their struggle for self-determination, the first step in that process was forcing the ruling oligarchy to put the law into writing. In Athens, this resulted in the promulgation of Draco’s Code (c. 620 BC), and in Rome the Twelve Tables (c. 450 BC). This is also why the English barons wrote and forced King John to sign the Great Charter of Freedoms (Magna Carta) at Runnymede in 1215 and why the Founders put our state and federal constitutions into writing. The rule of law and 2600 years of progress is unraveling before our very eyes and this has managed to go unnoticed by the vast majority of the American public, including the political junkies here in this forum.

To clarify the point I made earlier, it is one that concerns influence, not dependence, and there’s an important distinction to be made there because it’s what separates the pluralistic, secular republic we have in America today from the theocracy the Puritans had in Massachusetts during the Colonial Era. I’ll take the former over the latter, thank you, and I suspect most Christians would, too. The Founders learned from the mistakes Charles I and Oliver Cromwell made in England, that tolerance, pluralism and the free exercise of religion require keeping government out of the business of religion, and this was where the revolutionaries in France made one of their fatal mistakes. They got the government directly involved in the business of religion and the consequences were disastrous.

 

A heartbeat from an organism that has no other potential from that of a human being. Not a cow, or an oak tree or even a single cell organism that secularists imagine we are descended from. Pulling the plug on an individual means nothing other than withdrawing artificial life support. Not the same as cutting an individual to pieces then sucking them out with a vacuum.

 

As a Christian I most definitely concur.