Conservatives condemn Kristi Noem for ‘twisted’ admission of killing dog

Perhaps you could explain why it was ok to shoot a goat because she did not like how it smelled? It that part of being a "country person"?

 

This is a pretty lame rationalization. Urban folk don’t understand? What we do understand is there’s usually another option than shooting a puppy with a shotgun.

Just put the dog in a shelter. Maybe it can get adopted by urban dwellers so you don’t have to worry about it eating chickens. At the very least they can give the dog a more humane death than by shotgun.

 

She said the dog bit her. Dogs, especially untrained puppies, sometimes bite people. I’m pretty sure you need more than one biting incident with a dog to get a court order to kill it.

The real reason she killed the puppy is it was a nuisance to her. And she likes guns. So it was a perfect opportunity for target practice. That’s the kind of sick **** she is.

Also, shouldn’t there be even more vets in a rural setting than urban? You would think they are in higher demand on farms.

 

yeah that's a problem if your dog's biting people that's what attacking means so the dog attacked a person it needs to be put down that's perfectly normal everyday thing.

and subsequently get put down.

I'm pretty sure that no if your dog attacks a person it is to be put down. That includes biting

this is possibly the most moronic assumption you could concoct if you tried.

If that was the case there would probably be a lot more dead animals.

You people grab this stuff and just run with it and it completely discredits you every single time wait for all the information to come available before you jump to the absolute dumbest conclusion you can think of.

so in your head she's literally a cartoon villain? She can kill pigs people will pay you to do that you can kill deer too and she did that so. The idea that she shot a dog an investment that she probably made because hunting dogs are not cheap when she could have killed the deer or a pig and been perfectly fine is you showing profound ignorance coupled with this need to portray everyone you disagree with as evil

so this is just a complaint about how she did it because guns is a bad or some stupid **** like that?

Why would you call that to put a dog down unless there's a reason to put it down?

And no again profound ignorance. There are fewer people in a rural setting so there would be fewer doctors fewer model train enthusiasts fewer movie theater workers and of course fewer vets fewer people means not more people.

Further even if you had more vets because people keep animals in a rural setting they're probably more occupied.

that's like no thought process was given to this at all. If a vet is in higher demand that means he has less time to go put down animals in a way that makes ignorant city folk feel warm and fuzzy inside.

I think you just ignorant of the whole entire thing. First you say she's a cartoon villain I'm just likes killing animals that cost her money to kill and not the ones that need to be killed. And then you say why don't vets just have free time when they work around a place where there's a lot of livestock kept.

It's like anti-knowledge

 

The same goes for rural people who just don’t have the life experience to understand the most basic principles that urban people live by.
I was born on a ranch and had my own horse when I was 4, and I know that such mindless disregard of animals is not practiced by all rural people.

 

Why is it ok to raise animal and then slaughter them in their millions? Why is it ok for humans to eat meat? Meat, milk and cheese do not come from the grocery stores, they come from the grocery store.

Goats were bred by humans to be killed and eaten. You are asking why it is ok for a human to kill a goat. The reason it is ok is because we make the moral laws, not the goats. If you are going to get morally outraged by the humane killing of a goat while still eating meat/milk yourself, that is you a problem.

 

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This thread simply proves trump was correct. He can shoot anyone he wants and his supporters will still adore and defend him. It seems this also carries over to possible running mates for mango as well.

 

AND, the IRS DISAGREES with the assertion that chickens are "livestock"...
In the United States, the Internal Revenue Service of the Department of the Treasury defines livestock as including "cattle, hogs, horses, mules, donkeys, sheep, goats, fur-bearing animals, and other mammals." It further notes that the term "does not include poultry, chickens, turkeys, pigeons, geese, other birds, fish, frogs, reptiles, etc." (Treasury Regulation section 1.1231-2(a)). In addition, section 1231(b)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code specifically excludes poultry from the definition of livestock and Treasury Regulation Section 1.1231-2(a)(3) broadens the term "poultry" to include "other birds" (IRS). Furthermore, IRS Publication 225, Farmer's Tax Guide states that livestock does not include chickens, turkeys, emus, ostriches, rheas, and other birds.

 

If the dog was killing livestock, that's usually something that you can't break the dog from doing. Folks say that's universal. It isn't, but it's true enough often enough.

What confuses this issue is her associating the dog's death with it's uselessness as a hunting dog introducing the idea that she killed it because it wasn't good at serving her the way she wanted. If this was purely about having killed a chicken, there wouldn't be the uproar.

 

Where did it say that the goat was killed to be eaten? The goat followed her to the pit. She first shot the dog and then shot the goat but she had to go back to the truck to reload because the goat did not die. She stated that she killed the goat because of its smell, nothing to do with killing it to eat.

 

" I'm sure that headline

Got her goat."


'Kristi Noem dogged by poor polling amid fallout from tale of killing puppy'
Source: The Guardian


"Kristi Noem, the South Dakota governor and Republican vice-presidential hopeful, saw polling numbers plummet after the Guardian revealed that she writes in a new book about the day she shot dead a hunting dog and an un-castrated goat, a revelation that ignited a political storm.

Announcing what it called its “Noem Puppy Murder Poll Findings”, New River Strategies, a Democratic firm, said 81% of Americans disapproved of Noem’s decision to shoot Cricket, a 14-month-old wire-haired pointer who Noem says ruined a pheasant hunt and killed a neighbour’s chickens, thereby earning a trip to a gravel pit to die.

According to Noem’s account, the goat, which Noem did not name, followed Cricket to the pit because Noem deemed his odour and behaviour unacceptable on her farm. By Noem’s own detailed admission, it took two blasts from a shotgun, separated by a walk back to her truck for more shells, to finish the goat off.'


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/27/kristi-noem-dog-goat-book-trump-running-mate-polling

 

One does not need to live on a farm to understand animal husbandry. In an earlier post, I stated one or two reasons why a farmer will put down an animal. I didn't live on a farm, but I grew up just literally down the road, and also had dogs. I agree there is a time and place to put down a dog, and I don't have any real heartburn what Noem did, but one sure as heck doesn't need to be a farmer to see it.

 

Good points. No, excellent points.

I’ve not read the book of course (no interest in politicians) but from the way the story is portrayed in media she didn’t handle things the way I would have. But the media seldom reports all the facts. I’ve shot a few dogs, lots of goats, some horses, lots of cows, bulls, pigs, sheep, cats, Zebu, donkeys, etc. over the years. Dirty work indeed. I’m sure journalists could portray me as a monster if they had motivation to do so even though every time I’ve shot a domesticated animal it was in their best interest and it would have been abuse to not shoot the animal.

Animal welfare is an odd, complicated subject. My uncle was known as the kindest man by everyone who knew him. But he was raised in a time when there was no animal shelter (during the Great Depression ) and unwanted puppies were thought to be better off drowned at birth than starved or abused later in life. He loved animals including his dogs and I never saw him abuse an animal in 6 summers of working for him. But I know he drowned some puppies back in the day.

I’m trying to rehabilitate a cow right now who has a nerve problem in her hindquarters. If she doesn’t show improvement soon she will have to be euthanized to prevent her suffering in the future. It’s not easy shooting an animal you tend to and doctor daily, hoping and praying for recovery. I don’t know about how Noem feels about what she’s done. If doing what has to be done doesn’t tear her up inside I’d not want her as a “leader”. But I can’t judge that.

 

All rural people are farmers? That hasn't been true ever, and is much less true today. Dimwitted Kristi Noem is not a farmer (used to be), and her dog wasn't even trained as a bird dog. Yet she took it out hunting...shocker, it didn't do a job it didn't know how to do. She says it killed chickens. What did she do about that? Train her dog? No. She shot it after the fact. She didn't humanely put it down.

 

Exactly...
She is a Complete Dumb Ass...

 

Noem admitted to taking an untrained 14 month old female dog pheasant hunting with older dogs thinking it would "calm her down".
Cricket had a great time getting all wound up then due to Noem's negligence Cricket escaped from the car and attacked/killed some chickens.
So Cricket is supposed to have known you don't attack/kill feathery chickens just retrieve them after someone else shot them?
Try explaining that to a dog that is bred for hunting.
As Noem said she hated the dog anyway and said horrible things about her before her death.
Noem should have known better and it's mind-boggling what she expected from the dog.

Oh, and the smelly goat who knocked her kids over.
Goats stink and goats nuzzle,nudge and butt people.
The farm gal that she is doesn't know this?
Off to the gravel pit with the nameless goat too, who took one shot then had to wait until Noem got more bullets from her truck to be finished off.
Noem was an irresponsible and cruel dog owner putting Cricket in the situation that she did then finishing her day off with killing an innocent goat and the rest is history.

 

Cricket was a wirehaired pointer bred for hunting.
Seeing feathered chickens was all it took for her natural instincts to kick in.

I'm not saying she wouldn't have attacked "Big Bird". lol

 

I'm getting ready to put down two Pitbull males the next time they come in my yard showing aggression, which has happened twice now including a few days ago when I got home from work at close to 7:00 a.m. and they were following me down the street and would not let me out of my van for about 5 minutes.

I did have the means to dispatch them at that moment but I chose to call the owner repeatedly until she picked up the phone as a courtesy to let her know to get her damn dogs.

I am absolutely done with courtesy. They have no concern for the safety and well-being of their neighbors. That's what you call low class no class people, and here in Florida..... You have every legal right to dispatch dogs that come on your property aggressively and or attacking people pets livestock or property.

And I let the owners know, in no uncertain terms that those dogs would be unalived if they did it again. Yes it will cause a row with my neighbors but I am not going to wait until the damn things attack me or my girlfriend, they have already attempted to attack my 30 lb dog on two different occasions but now that I've had to start sitting on my porch to babysit my dog in my own yard on his 15 ft chain..... I was there when it happened and prevented it, and the dog can crawl under my van, which is a bit more difficult for a larger one.

I called the sheriff's department and they refused to send someone out because the dogs were no longer in the yard. I let them know that animal control is aware of these people and now your office is also aware of them and that this situation is only going to end in some sort of a tragedy, and I just want your office to be aware of the situation.

The owners of said dogs have lots of children around them, they might attack a kid on a bike... They might come over and attempt to attack here which is absolutely not going to work for them anymore

 

Don't put yourself in that position, it's not worth it unless it's an immediate attack, but do you always have a firearm on you.
You should be calling the cops every time the dogs get loose so there's a record.
Next time they come a calling call the cops and let them handle it, they may take them away then and there and might have done so the previous time they were loose.

Most towns/cities have within their dog ordinances special ones for Pit Bulls.
Check that out.

 

I picked a cops brain at work last night about the situation for a few minutes. He said basically if there's some sort of active attack or dog at large that they try to stop the attack at least but that animal control is responsible for all else.

But then again one should always do their due diligence and double check information even coming from the police because it may not always be totally accurate.

And much like the cops, animal control around here is about as useless as tits on a boar hog.

There are multiple ways that one can get rid of a dog, a gun being only one of them. Yesterday when they made a beeline across the street for my dog, I was right there between them with a 4 lb sledgehammer in my hand, which I just so happened to keep handy on that area of the side of the porch..... And the damn thing did lunge at me and I was about a fraction of an inch from deciding to drive that nail home in the middle of that dog's head.

Something is bound to happen at some point. They have four full grown pitbulls and currently four puppies and evidently they're trying to have more because the males are tied up within range of the females.... That is of course when they're not roaming at Large.

My point is not to completely derail the thread but to illustrate the hazard that loose dogs that turn aggressive can represent

 

Even the Guardian says there was more to the goat story than smell. I’d be very careful about taking journalist’s word for all this. I’ve shot a lot of critters that a journalist could make me out as a monster for killing if pertinent information was left out.