A Gift from GOD !

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  1. Cigar

    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Jesus for Rick Santorum.



    The GOP Candidates have the Gift of a Bad Economy … and what do they think is the most important issue? Birth Control and Abortions.

    This argument has been fought and won ... decades ago. :wierdface:

    Can President Obama just go on Vacation for this Election? :w00t:


    I have a question for the Conservative Women on this forum … can you please explain the purpose of Hormonal Contraception to Conservative Men?

    I honestly believe they don’t have a clue.

    You’d think they have Mothers, Wives, Sisters or Girlfriends. :wierdface:
     
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    How about I explain to you that there is no fight over banning contraception for anyone that is willing to purchase it. The fight is wether or not the government can force a religion who is against providing contraception to its workers when it against their religion, to provide it to their workers. It is that whole, freedom of religion thing that the left so addemently fights to keep the government out of...oh, my bad, they fight to keep the religion out of government, not the other way around.
     
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    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree .. Churches should stick to Preaching.

    Hospitals should stick to medicine.

    Doctors should stick to the Hippocratic Oath.


    Now ... John Boehner ... how about those Job you were talking about in October of 2010?
     
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    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    The obstructionist senate leader wont vote on anything that was passed in the house.
     
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    When a religious institution, such as a catholic hospital chain, buys out services in a region, it corners the market there. The government has a responsibility then to force them to act against their religious believes, so that the quality of the services can be maintained. The other alternative would be to "nationalize" the service they corner, but that is worse and communistic. Forcing religious providers to act against their religion is necessary and just. It is simply akin to forcing the merger of non-religious enterprices to adhere to standards set out by the government. Consumer protection is much more important than religious rights when it is about cornering a service market.

    But yes, religion is the best attack against any law that interfers with your profits.
     
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    There is still Planned parenthood that can provide the service. And contraception is NOT a medical need, it is a want like liposucktion or breast implants.
     
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    Where has this happened?
     
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    Unfortunately, Planned Parenthood has its days numbered in most US states. And it is only in the US where cosmetic surgery is not classified as medical need. In France, for example, cosmetic surgeries are a medical need, many times performed as confidence boosters for women after birth, as an example.

    For example, most Pittsburgh PA hospitals "consolidated" in this fashion in the early 2000's, and ever since then getting proper care there for complicated pregnancies is an uphill struggle there. The situation is worse in farmacy franchizes all throughout the southern US states where they refuse the morning-after pilll on the owner's "religious" basis.
     
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    Thats why I am proud to be an American. I don't have to be so vain. Who the (*)(*)(*)(*) cares what France does? Aren't they part of the failing EU nanny system?

    Sounds like a states rights issue that should be taken care of at the lowest level. Maybe the best option would be to open your own medical facility that did offer such services if it was really a dire need of the state.
     
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    You would be greatly mistaken (not for the first time in your case) if you think that Crusader Rick Santorum is the "darling" of all Conservatives. Far from it!

    "Social" Conservatives like Santorum are lethal to the Republican Party in national elections because they never get a majority of votes. We on the Right must have a victory if we are going to get rid of Comrade Obama in November. Santorum cannot win the presidency... hell, even his big "victory" here in Colorado did not get him one single committed delegate to the Republican Convention! And, Santorum would fight the insurmountable challenge of huge numbers of women, "moderate" Independents, and, surprisingly, a huge percentage of 77 million Baby Boomers whose earned Social Security benefit would be cut by President Crusader Rick. But if I were a lib, like Cigar, I'd be rooting for Santorum to be the Republican standard bearer -- because Obama would crush him like a bug in the November election....
     
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    You need to look at legislation being passed by Republicans in Virginia. The various personhood amendments going around Republican controlled states is a drive to outlaw contraception. When the Virginia Legislature created a Personhood amendment that would outlaw the most commonly used fors of birhtcontrol, a democrat rep. inserted a rules saying the bill would not outlaw any current forms of birth control. The Republicans overhelmingly voted NO on the change and it was shot down. They are also passing legislation that requires doctors to give intervaginal ultrasounds to women who want an abortion. Yep, they want doctors to HAVE to insert a probe inside a very private area reguardless of the patients or the doctor's will.

    What happened to the party of small, non-intrusive government? Or does that only apply to businesses? Looks like the GOP wants to meddle in our bedrooms and dictate morals.
     
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    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So let me guess ... you want to still have the right to complain about Welfare Queens and be against family planning?
     
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    I would love to know how you see President Obama as a Communist? We still have a free market system, NO business is controlled by the government, Private Property is still in the hands of the people who own it. These are all signs of Communism. Learn the difference between Communism and today's Democratic Socialism. The President is no more a Marxist than any of your Republican canidates. Tell me the difference between President Obama and Mitt Romney? President Obama has kept many of the policies from the Bush Admin, used long standing conservative policies when designing the Healthcare Reform Bill, and has been more of CiNC than the last few Republican Presidents.
     
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    "Democratic Socialism" is merely Communism in its formative, embryonic form... just as "Obamacare" was the first step toward full-blown Socialized Medicine.

    But I take it, then, that you see nothing wrong with the unconstitutional projection of presidential power to manipulate corporations and markets, such as we have seen in everything from Chrysler and General Motors, to the whole fraudulent "green energy" fiasco? What about all the bailouts for the investment bank crime syndicates, Fannie and Freddie, and the gamblers in hedge funds and on Wall Street? A planet-wide economic hegemony is the precursor to any effective Marxist power-grab!

    Do I excuse "W" Bush (the idiotic "deer-in-the-headlights"), or do I "like" milque-toast RINO's like Romney, or misdirected losers like "Crusader Rick" Santorum? Far from it! But of all these simpletons, Obama is the most dangerous, if only because of the puppetmasters who pull his strings....
     
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    I care. France is a short drive from my house. But more importantly, we Americans must realize that the looks of our women are more important than the looks of our money, especially now that our money has lost its face. We can still boost our women, even when we can't boost our money.

    Yes, some wending machine chain owners experiment with the Plan-B pill in the machines, and I hope it will work. But the problem with excessive government is that the big money cartells can not only write discriminative laws as usual but can make the government enforce them too, and push every good small opportunity out of the window, as usual.
     
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    So let me get this straight, people of limited wealth can't control their urges so they must be taken care of by government?

    I never have a problem with contraceptive being given out by PP. That is to stop a person from being created in the first place. Abortion is the murder of something human that is growing and has a heartbeat most of the time. I am actually even ok with plan B. But if a religious institution has a belief that they are against something that is totally a choice in behavior, I have no problem with the churches right to not enable said behavior that conflicts with their beliefs.
     
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    Monaco is a lovely little place. When I was on my first deployment on the USS Theodore Roosevelt in 1988, we pulled into Nice. A bunch of us took a train to Monaco and spent the day there. I would love to take a trip today to see how much it has changed in 20+years.
     
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    What? France is a short drive from you, but not America. And like everything else, if women want to be skinny after giving birth, they need to work for it. If they don't want to get fat from being pregnant, don't get pregnant. It is a CHOICE, not a NEED.

    Good, so support Ron Paul who is in favor of getting the money cartels out of bribing government officials into writting unjust laws like this. Now not just Ron Paul, find libertarians that will run, and keep the government out of the back pocket of the media and corporations.
     
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    Government has always had the right to protect the rights of the individual over religious dogma. The Government did it with the Mormon Church and Polygmy. Of course, I would be ok with eliminating the 1 or 2 billion the government gives these non profit groups if they want to fight.
     
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    Maybe you should have a talk with a Woman about this subject. :wierdface:
     
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    Keeping explaining all you want. Apparently you don't know Rick Santorum that well.

    There's a reason that this (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag lost his Senate re-election.

     
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    I know that is how my wife and I fell about sex. We def. don't want kids out of it. Too many breeders having a basketball team's worth today. If we want kids after we graduate from college, we will adopt.
     
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    It would be a PLEASURE to send a Religious ultra right winger back to his cave.
    You people wanted any Body but Romney..the guy who for the last 2 years was 10 pts above Obama and focused on the economy..Job creation and less government telling you what to do..

    MASS. does not run health care in MASS., FACT..you buy it from an independent PRIVATE COMPANY.

    Just like flood insurance in a flood plain..

    Santorum and the Evangelical church have destroyed Romney..and in doing so are losing by 10 pts to Obama.

    Reagan's 3 legged stool looks mighty weak ..standing on 1 leg and becoming a broken party. Fiscal conservatives will not vote For the church running our lives any more than the government does. Moderates and independents will flee in fear of their lives taking a giant step back.

    Now we have a class war going on for votes..and soon a religious war within our own country will break out as THE WHITE RELIGION fights against the BLACK religion.
    We already have a gender split within the republican party..now we get a religous and economic split as well.


    DID ROMNEY say or do anything to create this atmosphere..?
    DID PAUL ?

    No..Only the ultra far right who couldn't defeat either of the 2 good guys on QUALITY and economics alone..

    Ever wonder why Paul and Romney dont attack each other ?
    They disagree on issues..yet they are becoming friends.

    You might be looking at the only ticket for Romney to defeat Obama next fall.

    When wives talk and become close..you better pay attention.

    Romney/Paul 2012 ?

    I wonder if Moderates and tea party independents would support this ?

    It's about the jobs and the economy...

    $4- 5 dollar gas v contraceptives.
    You do the math. ;)
     
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    You know...This Democrat might actually vote for that ticket.

    I am actually predicting a Romney/Santorum ticket though...it would bring the ultra conservatives over to the Romney camp.

    btw,This Democrat does not see much of a difference between Romney and President Obama. Sure, Romney talks all conservative, but his political record shows he is just as moderate as President Obama...Willing to work with the other side when they are willing to work with him.
     
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    From those not affiliated with the church, I agree. From people being harmed while being affiliated with the church, I agree. From people that are choosing a life style of their own devices that are not consistant with the churches dogma, no. It is not the right of the employee to recieve life style suplaments from their employer to continue on with a behavior that the company doesn't condone, private or religious businesses. It is not the responsibility of the employer to send a meth addict to rehab, nor is it the responsibility of an employer to provide health insurance that provides contraceptives.

    "Gives"? Do you mean "give" as in not taxing non-profits that put that money towards charity expenses at a MUCH lower cost than what they government would do to take care of the needy?
     

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