How is that? Please elaborate on how your statement is true. How would the question become deserving? I can guarantee you I wont ignore you. Do you know I have not once found a lifer who would answer the question before you now? Not once, ever. Even if it were sadistic, which it isnt, how would that make it undeserving of an answer? The only thing that should prompt you to leave is if I just say "oh well you're an idiot" or use some logical fallacy to reply. But I wont, as I never do, and if I do you can leave.
I agree - the thing is a fetus doesnt have a mind. Consequently, it is not innocent human life you find special, rather sentient consciousness and self-awareness, something a fetus does not have. Sorry I didnt see your post on the other thread.
His answer is still relevant and valid. But as I have just pointed out, his answer doesnt actually show how human life is special or why it should not be killed where it does not have a mind, ie a self-aware, interest bearing mind.
The questions are essentially one in the same. To say innocent human life should not be killed is to say it is special, and vice versa. No, you just said you "find" it a sadistic question and thus not worthy of a reply, which is essentially the same as saiyng 'I dont like it, so I wont answer it', which to me just screams of "because I cant answer it".
My response is self-explanatory. I've noticed that a tactic of your posts is to basically say "please elaborate" or "please explain" or simply to ask "how is that so?" even when something has been made about as clear as it can be made. I don't think you have a learning disability, you're a very capable poster and I don't believe that statement of mine needs to be broken down any more than it already is. If it did not imply that justification is needed for us to not kill innocent human beings (of all ages and varieties) basically on a whim, then it would become worthy of answer. I can't guarantee that I'll care either way. But for now, it looks like you're not ignoring me. I think it's silly that you say that, you've got eighteen pages here, some with answers to your initial question. The problem is that it seems your arguments are having trouble keeping track of which question you ask where. In this thread, you asked "why is human life special?" and then you answer that question in the same post. Kazikli Bey answered that question very well and you pulled the same "why do you think this?" nonsense on his answer that you're pulling on many other arguments. His answer was self-explanatory, which is probably why he didn't bother to post a response to your follow up. He answered to which you said He had already answered that question. It's a matter of survival. It isn't necessarily special, but it is in the species best interests for survival. Again, your follow up "what is special or necessary about reproduction for the species" was unnecessary as he'd already clearly explained that it's just an issue of survival. Of course I can. I can leave at any moment. I'm not disputing that. But the question stands as implying that we as humans should have some sort of intellectual justification for not going on killing sprees or committing genocidal atrocities. That is why I do not believe it merits an answer.
Not necessarily. I hold a lot of animal life in higher regard than I do human life, but that doesn't mean I think we should start killing off innocent human beings. It can scream whatever you want it to scream at you, that's fine and it really doesn't bother me one way or another. The truth of the matter is that I do not believe it deserves an answer, therefore I am refusing to answer the question and I have now explained multiple times why my beliefs are such.
This is so dumb. I got 1 question for ya Megadeath: If human life isn't special, if human life is meaningless, why don't you end yours? There is nothing special about it right? Or is there something special about it so that is why you don't off yourself? If human life isn't special, why do you spend so much time worrying that it is special? Just my passing thoughts reading your 3rd thread on the same subject.
TheHat makes a good point, MegadethFan. If human life isn't special in any way to certain people who believe it to be sub par or whatever, what then is preventing them from ending it? If it's not special, if they don't see any reason that it should continue (as it's not special), why are they still around?
Your statement was hardly clear. Must I ask a thousand questions to illustrate my point? I cna if you want. I see. Ok then, what is wrong with killing human fetuses? No I'm just busy on other threads. I'm going now, so I'll respond to your reply tomorrow. I cant see any. If you see some, point them out so I can respond, but I cant find any. What? When did that happen? Its not nonsense, I genuinely want to know his reasoning before I refute him. In fact I NEED to know his reasoning in order to refute him or anyone else. It is ENTIRELY NECESSARY because his "issue of survival" is entirely based on the premise that their is something significant about the survival of the human species. Does that not make sense to you? So you believe that because someone questions binding social convention that is considered most important, that question must be ignored because its inquiry questions such important institutions? Again i fail to see the logic. Your entire premise here is just that you are offended by the question and that's why you dont want to answer it, which is just a cop out. If people denied answering valid questions based on offense, we wouldn't have any seriously functioning political system. Regardless, I changed the question to suit your scruples: What is wrong with killing a human fetus?
Because I want to live. I enjoy living. I dont worry, so that's a baseless question. Yeah, interesting how you can never tell me why human life is special eh?
What you just wrote is not only irrelevant, it doesn't show how the two questions are mutually exclusive as you argue. Dont you think that's rather pathetic? Yes but, isnt that kind of childish? Besides I did change the question to narrow it to the respectable levels you indicated you preferred it to be at so you weren't 'confronted' by the possible insinuations you associated with it..
The title of the thread was "Why is human life special". Anyway, the same answer applies to the question: "why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being?" Because it terminates his mind, not his (biological) life.
Because they have an interest in being alive. But there is a reason they would want their life to continue - they like being alive. They have an interest in their existence. So no, TheHat's point is ignorant and silly, as per usual.
But a fetus has no mind. Furthermore, what you have indicated is not that human life is special or worth protecting, but rather human beings with a mind.
Well this was nice, I humored you for a while, but I am not going to participate in a debate in which the opposition patronizes and condescends to me. I really don't feel any need to indulge in such a "discussion." So I'll be going now.
Maybe its simply some other attribute of a person than biological human life in itself. For example the presence of mind for some, or biological independence for others. Thus your implication that if human life in itself is not special then killing human persons would be allowed simply does not follow, since human persons have many other attributes besides being biologically alive that might be the source of value.
His arguments don't factor in his own gigantic and ridiculous double standards. It is indeed quite funny.
Oh, it's patently absurd. The whole thing. He claims there is nothing special about human life, then when the tables turn, he says and I quote: So he obviously thinks something about human life is pretty special.....lol. And by the way Megadeath, most human beings, if given the chance ALSO want to live, even those who can't speak for themselves.
But those who can't THINK for themselves are another matter. They can neither want to live or want not to.
This topic doesn't discriminate between those who can't think for themselves and those who can. This topic discusses all human life and asks the absolutely ludicrous question "why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being?" It does not specify "why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being incapable of thought?" MegadethFan was very clear on this. He's not attacking the line of logic most people do when faced with this debate, he's attacking the whole premise of killing innocent human beings in general and why human life is "special" or not. His double standards are very clear, indicating firstly that he sees nothing "special" about human life, yet then he clearly states that he "wants to live and enjoys living." This is absolutely preposterous as that totally refutes his initial speculation that human life is not special. Unless of course he's going to be so bold as to say his life is special, but human life in general is not. I'm very interested to see how he's going to respond to this logical conundrum he's fixed himself up in.
I think he has some script he is imagining in his head, and he is frustrated no one will respond just the way he wants them to so he can use his response he always alludes to: "If he'll tell me how he reasoned this, I can refute it" as long as no one gives him the right cue, he can't speak... if he truly had a conviction that killing innocents is ok, then he wouldn't NEED a specific response from a specific person in order to explain, he could just post it.
