Ok. GOP what is your solution to the healthcare crisis in the US? Do nothing?

Just curious what the GOP economic and healthcare services experts { the ones who drove the US into economic chaos in 2007-2008 } have to offer the country with regard to a healthcare system where every American has healthcare coverage.

We already know a market based system such as we have now is a complete farce.

So what do all ya'll have that would work?

 

Their idea is simple...Deregulated them and turn the other way.

 

IMO there is no "healthcare crisis". There are two crisis going on:

1. energy crisis,

2. JOBS crisis, and

3. government overspending and over regulating crisis

 

End the tax advantages for corporations buying healthcare insurance for their employees.

The best thing for health care costs in the U.S. is for everyone to buy their own insurance and not have it paid by any third party.

There are reasons that cosmetic and plastic surgery procedures are one of the few medical areas that have gotten cheaper.

Insurance won't pay for them.

 

Wow, clueless much? So there aren't people right now in this country earning 22k a year with no healthcare coverage looking at potentially cureable diseases that for them will end up being terminal because of a lack of coverage? How is that not a crisis? Are those human lives less important to you than government overspending?

The black heart of the Republican party ladies and gentlemen.

 

I think the current healthcare system is so convoluted you'd be hard pressed to refer to it as an example of a "market based system." I see two options:

• We could move to high deductible plans with Health Savings Accounts (or a similar concept) that would put the responsibility of managing day to day costs back in the hands of consumers while providing coverage for catastrophic events
• We could move to a universal system and accept that rationing will be required.

In either case, I'd move away from employer-provided plans. Frankly, both of the options above are probably better than what we have today.

 

Republicans and Democrats have been controlling the government together for many many decades. Both parties are equally responsible. The signs of the housing bubble were already obvious in 2002. With a Democratic Congress and Republican White House. Your partisan nonsense won't work here.

You liberals are all the same. The only thing you care about is everybody being "covered". You don't focus on the real problem, which is the COST, and what causes the costs to be high. The government is the reason costs in healthcare are so high.

We don't have a free market based system. We have a corporatist system, which is just a form of fascism. Obama is just making it more fascist.

Another liberal fail. You all don't know the difference between fascism and the free market.

The free market healthcare system the US had before the 1960s provided the highest quality care to the most amount of people for the lowest cost. Which is why it was the envy of the world. Since the government has gotten involved, Big pharma and health insurance companies have gotten in bed with the governmenet, creating regulations to limit competition in the healthcare industry, driving up costs, limiting growth and coverage. Which always happens when government monopoly intervenes with free market competition.

So the solution is to get the government OUT.

 

What a stupid, irrational post. Of course, we already know it isn't the market-based system that's a complete farce.

 

First off, let people purchase insurance from any insurance provider anywhere in the country, no matter where they live.

End the illegal immigration problem, and then unpaid emergency room costs will diminish. Also, turn people away from the emergency room who do not actually have an emergency.

I'm sure that I will come up with more, but the monstrosity know as Obamacare, is already projected to cost twice as much as already proposed, and will result in lesser health care for all, and increase premiums for folks that purchase private health care insurance. Mine have already increased significantly in reaction to the looming disaster.

I just hope the SCOTUS strikes the entire thing down.

 

That is basically the plan of the Republicans, to de-regulate healthcare and allow it to be sold across all state lines. They want it to be a race to the bottom, as they feel that will save money.

Perhaps it will save money, but it will also result in a large reductions in the quality of healthcare.

Is that really our only choice? To either have good healthcare only the rich can afford, or weak healthcare that everyone can afford? You only have one life to live, so it makes sense to me that we should try to save as many lives, and quality of lives, as possible.

 

Rather simple, and one I think would be supported by Socialists.

Set up a "pay to ability to pay" system. Make healthcare free to those at the lowest income levels. Then as a person or family makes more money, the amount the pay increases.

This way those that can't afford it get it free. And at increasing income levels, people pay more for the service. And make it completely optional. No mandate. You choose to use it or not.

After all, at the way things will go now, I get the same kind of medical care as Bill Gates would qualify for. Why should he get free health care? I make a comfortable income, with an employer covered health care package. And trust me, my employer does not know what the heck it is doing. They are still trying to figure out how to apply the new requirements from over 2 years ago.

 

The first solution to cheaper healthcare is to increase incentives for all people for healthy living and preventative means. I think people with healthy cholesterol levels, blood pressure and BMI's should be rewarded with significantly lowered insurance coverage. Give doctors incentives for keeping their patients healthy. And increase taxes (or initiate penalties) for clear cut unhealthy living (even higher costs for smokers, the obese, drug users, etc).

There should be a bare bones socialized medicine program for common sense vaccinations and critical life care such as cancer, ALS, transplants and REAL emergency care. All people should be covered and cared for for these critical care and common sense preventative means, and this should be the extent of the expenses the government should cover.

Beyond that, all other care should be the responsibility of an open, private insurance market, and the individuals expenses. Common colds, bone breaks, joint pain, anti-depression medications, macular eye degeneration, amputation procedures, birth control, births themselves, etc, all need to be covered or paid for privately.

Require the government to cover life threatening care and let the individual/insurance companies deal with quality of life in an incentive laden/penalty inducing program. The government can give tax breaks to insurance companies and doctors that keep people healthier and provide better rehabilitation, education and prevention programs, and the individual has the responsibility to take care of themselves and be responsible up to a point.

In this program, I get rid of emergency room co-pays for non-emergency medicaid visitors, charging them stiff penalties for trying to get free care (this happens all the time and it drives everyone's cost up crazy amounts). Medicaid and Medicare get pulled into this program and everyone is put under the same standard. Insurance companies WOULD have to cover any and all applicants, regardless of pre-existing conditions, but those conditions related to unhealthy habits can result in much higher premiums for those people that don't take care of themselves.

This would be a workable hybrid program. I think the government could focus its money in a few specific areas where they would have the incentive to find real cures for things like cancer, HIV, ALS and other terminal illnesses, and insurance companies can provide cheaper premiums without the burden of getting suddenly pinched by 100k cancer treatment payouts and sudden terminal illness costs that drive their expenses into the clouds. It's a real compromise that truly cuts costs for everyone involved.

 

Banks in Switzerland would LOVE this type of plan, because they would get all kinds of new hidden income from US citizens. This type of program is just asking for abuse. Do you base it on income or total wealth? Some people make almost no income annually, but can be worth millions of dollars in investments that they draw from to live. Some people have enormous income but it all gets spent or offset by well placed depreciations and sheltered investment expenses. There are billionaires and millionaires that can buck the system to the point that they can make millions and legally appear to be in the red at the end of the year with very little in cash wealth on hand. What do they pay? In your system they likely could look like they get free care based on needs?

 

What about handing ALL facets of US healthcare over to Taiwan, doctors, staff and all?

Let them bring their people in and do it all. They have a pretty good system working.

 

They did its called OBAMACARE which incorporated many ideas brought up to counter a one payer system under HILLERYCARE, just go back it was seen by then as a fair use of government power until adopted into the new law being challenged.

But I have an idea the county care model each county should get a share of all current medical care funds not tied to the native americans or VA plus what they can get from taxes. And they can set-up county hospitals and those based on ability to pay and other factors replacing Medicaid with that. And there is nothing that says the Feds can't bypass the state government and give funding to counties directly on discretionary spending. You could just require counties levee a means to share funding a local tax in sales or property taxes or a local HMO premium set-up etc. They used to have tons of public community hospitals in counties run by the counties which kept costs under control with oversight.

 

You can pursue them....

For the free marketers... The free market does not work well for basic products. So you should have two options if you want that healthcare be universal. If you want healthcare for a few(the ones that can afford it) then free market is the best system. If not you need a mixed system, public and free market.

Or you don't like that the government offer any service because you know that can be much better, mainly in basic services than the ones offered in the free market that needs to be rentable, and there are things that are not. And one of them is health.

 

Oh really? Then why did they regulate the hell out of it over the last decade?

 

Your description of free market healthcare in the US is inaccurate. The US had free market healthcare before the 1960s and it provided the highest quality healthcare in the world to the most number of people for the lowest cost.

Since the government has gotten involved, we have seen the rate of growth of technology/quality decrease, costs have gone up, and number per capita able to get adequate services has decreased. That is always the effect of centralized planning.

 

You have been confused by Democrat propaganda.

Please explain why the Republicans moved in with HEAVY regulations in the last decade, ie. Bush's Perscription Drug plan...if they wanted to "deregulate" it.

 

There should be a profit limit put upon drugs and medical services for a 10 year time period.

It's not how to pay for healthcare that is the problem, it's that too much is charged for healthcare.

There should be a legal limit to profit on healthcare, food, water, and energy. If you are in the business and don't like it, go into another business.

And companies should NOT be allowed to ship jobs offshore.

 

We already know the Federal government solution is a bigger farce.
1. It is not the role of a Federal government to insure you.
2. It is not the role of American taxpayers to support and insure those here illegally.
3. It is not the role of a Federal Government to give what they cannot provide for under a balanced budget.

If your employer and you chose to make it part of the employment package ...FINE..you earned it and the boss gets a better worker.
If the STATE offers it.. fine ..the states must come to grip with paying for it..not the taxpayer 2,000 miles away who received no services for that tax payer dollar.

If you choose not to work and not buy insurance ..Fine,your choice.. Not ours.
This COUNTRY existed just fine for over 200 years without this entitlement being led by DEMOCRATS for political gain..How'd did anybody ever live to 70 0r 80 back then ?
By living better and working..along with genetics.

Just because the Federal Government CAN do something.. doesn't make it right.
Unless you like the Chinese lifestyle and their insurance plan.

 

LOL. Are you serious dude? Putting a cap on profits is just going to drive the cost of everything up even more.

You think you're punishing busninessmen by putting caps on profits, but you're not. They're going to make the same profits and just pass the difference in costs onto the insurance companies, who will pass the costs onto the customers and the government. The government will pass the cost onto taxpayers.

So what you're really saying is that in order to bring the costs of healthcare down for consumers and taxpayers, we need to raise the costs of healthcare for consumers and taxpayers.

The logic of Collectivist economics at its finest.

Ah I see. If someone tries to make money by going overseas, you're going to get big brother to point his guns at him and threaten to kill him if he doesn't do what YOU say because you think it will be better for the economy....which it won't. This isn't the Soviet Union.

Again, you're just going to cause higher prices because the cost of labor will be passed onto consumers. Their profits won't take a dent.

 

tort reform; that will lower liability insurance for medical providers as well as pharma.

lower costs mean prices can drop

illegal aliens need to be dealt with

open the competitive insurance market

costs to get approval for drugs needs to be reviewed


Obamacare does absolutely NOTHING about addressing costs and taking the path of Venezuela where it's mandated what can be charged only results in poorer quality.

 

Romney claims he's gonna fix everything, but gives no solutions. Santorum says Bombing Iran and forcing morality on everyone is the solution. Paul says deregulate everything and bring back segregation is the answer to all our problems. Gingrich says he knows everything about everything, but it's a secret.

The only thing missing in the GOP race is face paint and big red noses.

 

Paul didn't say anything close to that. You're either intentionally lying or you have been deceived by mainstream media propaganda.