Zimmerman Case Is An Attack On Our Civil Rights

And thats what they did. Cant throw someone in jail because you think an investigation might later produce some evidence.

 

It is the complete absence of evidence that makes his arrest a violation of his rights. Your ability to imagine she has such evidence doesnt change that fact.

 

Judge Lester has unsealed some of the State's evidence this morning.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/judge-orders-some-states-evidence-be-made-public-g/nNNhD/

 

We can anticipate that the evidence required for the criminal charge will be released but not full disclosure at this point. Obviously Judge Sheaffer (the second judge to see this evidence) believes that the prosecution has valid grounds for the criminal complaint and the case will go forward with the arraignment next week.

 

Yes.. I think that's an accurate assessment.

 

Yeah...
so what are you proposing we do, besides complain secretly to each other and more openly, but safely, here?

Our rigts have been taken away by the cultural change from a male oriented set of social mores to this Politically Correct feminist cage we are now in, restricted from speaking the Truth which is the real fundamental and more basic right we have lost.

The Bill Maher type ridicule that amaasses a crowd ready to shout down anyone voicing these answers back is supported by the Attack Groups who demonstrate for media coverage and make politician cringe as they cater to those voters.

So?
What to do...

 

You buy that...?

Why is evidence sealed, anyway?
What is this, a spy case or terrorism, where important secret stuff was sealed for the safety of the nation?

This is a simple case where the prosecution is supposed to present the evidence.

What ought to have been done was to arrest Sharpton for insiting to riot, along with the Gray Panthers.
The National Guard should have been called ouit, and the governor ought ot have said Law and Order will prevail regardless of what the rabble rousers are demanding.
A list of all the Black on White/Latino crimes should have been presented to and by the Media, even by government fiat, forced onto the airways for the public good.

 

Absolutely.. rule of law and judicial procedure is NOT a feminist cage.

Sounds like you want to take statistics and not try any criminal behavior.

 

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PS - Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows why Zimmerman was arrested, and I suspect you do too. To prevent riots, and
to keep Scott's re-election chances maximized (so he thinks).

How can they exonerate him ? HA HA HA! Don't you know the fundamentals of American law ? The absence of information = exoneration (AKA NOT GUILTY - BWO INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE). <<<mod edit insult>>>

 

Lots of mistaken ideas in this post.

1. The state attorney's opinion certainly WAS shared by "other legally qualified persons", and the only ones opposing it are Gov. Rick Scott (for his own personal ambitious reasons) and those committed to sucking up to him.

2. We certainly ARE in position to conclude that there was no probable cause, because the person (State Attorney) whose job it is to make that determination, made it, and said there was no probable cause for an arrest. A corrupt, overambitious governor sticking his nose into it just to facilitate his political aspirations doesn't change that.

3. It is irrelevant that Trayvon was a minor (by a few months), when he was a big guy (6'3" tall), and capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

4. There isn't "uncertainty".. Two impartial witnesses told police they saw a scenario that clearly legitimized the use of deadly force (gun) in self-defense. This is cause to NOT detain the person.

5. What the jury will decide is if the prosecution even has any basis (evidence) to charge Zimmerman, not what evidence Zimmerman has.

 

FACT CHECK​

It was not a State Attorney General's Office that disregarded the lead homicide detective's recommendation that Zimmerman be booked for manslaughter after the killing. It was the Brevard-Seminole County prosecutor's office that made that call. Angela B. Corey is a special prosecutor from the State Attorney General's office and she is, to my knowledge, the only State prosecutor to review the evidence in the case.

We've also had not one but two judges review the evidence related to the charges and both of them agreed independently that there was ample evidence for the prosecution and for the case to go forward.

So basically we have the special State prosecutor, the lead homicide detective, and two judges that all reached the conclusion that Zimmerman should face criminal charges and the local Brevard-Seminole County prosecutors office that made a decision to not arrest and charge Zimmerman.

The exceptions to this are: 1) A teenager is more likely to be intimidated by an adult than another adult, and; 2) While Martin was taller than Zimmerman, Zimmerman had a distinct weight advantage. Based upon memory Martin was a tall lanky kid and Zimmerman was a stout individual outweighing Martin by about 40 lbs but I could be wrong.

Perhaps true but that is an issue to be addressed in court. From what I understand they did not actually see the fight break out and couldn't even tell who was attacking who because it was dark and they were too far away. We also have a sound recording of someone calling for help but analysis of that sound recording cannot confirm who was calling for help.

In any case these are all matters for a jury to decide and the case still hinges on whether Zimmerman's actions established criminal assault against Martin under the law because if they did then he cannot claim self-defense. A person cannot claim self-defense if they initiate an assault on another person.

No, the jury will not determine whether the prosecution has enough evidence to charge Zimmerman. The judge in the case makes this determination based upon a motion to dismiss by the defense attorney. So far we have two judges that both ordered the case to continue. The evidence required to prosecute is far less than the evidence required for a conviction. All that is required for prosecution is evidence that a crime was likely committed and that the person charged is probably the one that committed the crime. This is way less than the requirement for a jury to convict based upon evidence that establishes guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Being honest and truthful in presenting an argument is really rather important if a person wants others to believe them.

 

So I guess that would mean you are one of the smart people.

Oh I thought it was because the State of Florida thinks he pursed and murdered an unarmed 17 yr old.

Now unless you are on the prosecution team and can tell us about all the evidence they have collected and are going to present in court, then the only ignorant person you need to worry about is the man in the mirror. My bad I forgot you have a crystal ball stuck up your ass that tells you everything you need to know.

 

Yes, it's called EVIDENCE.

This is the silliest statement I've read so far.

There weren't any threats of riots by anyone.

Gov Scott obviously appointed a special prosecutor because there were serious questions about the case. How often, for example, does a lead homicide investigator recommend that someone be arrested and the prosecutors office lets them go free? That seemed highly irregular to say the least. Scott wasn't involved at all with the decision to prosecute but merely acted to ensure that all of the evidence received the proper review.

 

Uh oh.......

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...ces-apparent-disparaging-ethnic-comments.html

 

1. The FACT is that if PROPER/NORMAL procedure had been followed, instead of a procedure guided by an ambitious, opportunist, gutless, coward governor, the person who was supposed to make the call (and made it) would have been the only one involved and all these extracurricular people you mention would never have been involved. The case would have stopped right where it should have stopped. As a non-case. For you to even mention a "special" prosecutor is laughable. Oh yeah, she's "special" all right. "Specially" picked to keep Rick Scott's re-election chances intact. Who do you think you're talking to ? A bunch of schoolkids ? Get real.

2. The weights of the 2 parties involved (like their pictures) have been distorted by the Pro-Trayvon press. I don't think there was much of a weight difference judging by the looks of them (which might be the best point of reference). Trayvon's recent pictures (complete with his expensive gold grill teeth), show him to be about normal weight, and Zimmerman's showing inthe courtroom show him to be about normal too. If anything, Trayvon may well have outweighed Zimmerman, if both were normal weight for their height, (and Trayvon was 6 inches taller).

3. You "understand" it completely wrong. They most certainly DID SEE what took place and testified it to the police. They told the police what they SAW, not what they had for a hunch. Where did you get YOUR information ?

4. "The judge in the case" ? There should not even be any "judge in the case", or any "case", for that matter.

 

One thing I would propose is that we (Floridians) find out who is running for Governor in the next election (Democrat, Republican or Independent) and get behind that guy (or gal) and support him. We could also encourage them to make an issue of this poor choice of action by Rick Scott, emphasizing tha his actions not only deprives an innocen man of his rights, but also endangers all Florida citizens when confronted by violent criminal attackers.

 

1. Yeah. I'm one of the smart people. Try to keep that in mind.

2. You thought wrong.

3. All anyone needs to know is what 2 impartial witnesses told the police, and that the charges weren't filed based on that.
There was insufficient evidence to rule Zimmerman did not act in self-defense + there was sufficient evidence to rule that he did do that (although that is more than what's necessary). Therefore the prosecution could not have any evidence against Zimmerman, and of course they don't. The whole thing is nothing but a disgraceful, political stunt. Everybody knows that.

 

Apparently, you thought wrong.

Your arguments only make you look like a fool. People have already presented very valid points against your argument. But hey, why look at facts when you can just call others names. Right?

The fact is the Z/T case will go to trial and rightfully so. Whether he was guilty or not is for the courts to decide, NOT YOU. Deal with it.

 

Is this a typo?

 

I agree. The lead homicide detective should have made the call and he wanted Zimmerman arrested for manslaughter. He had enough evidence to support the arrest. The local prosecutor's office should not have been involved at all at this point. The police arrest and then the prosecutor's office becomes involved. There is no evidence at all that governor was interested in anything but a secondary investigation into the facts of the case because the responsible officer in charge had recommended the arrest but he had been over-ridden by the prosecutor's office and that is highly irregular.

Once again this is irrelevant to the case. The case rests on whether Zimmerman committed criminal assault by pursuing Martin. If Zimmerman was committing a criminal act then he cannot claim self-defense.

In doing a search of eye witnesses half the neighborhood was outside that night because there are so many apparently we don't know who actually saw what. Once again the actually physical confrontation doesn't matter if Zimmerman was commiting feloneous assault (i.e. any action by Zimmerman's that reasonably made Martin fear for his personal safety) of Martin before the confrontation.

Whether they should or should not have been involved at all is moot. What is a fact is that two independent judges have reviewed the evidence justifying the arrest and both of them reached the conclusion that the prosecutions case has enough merit to require a trial. There was enough evidence for the arrest and that is undeniable.

 

N your mind only.

Well lets wait and see when they go to court, then we will see whose thinking was wrong or right.

Oh sorry, but when police investigate a murder more goes into play than 2 witnesses who didn't see the start or end of the altercation.

Unless you know all the evidence how in the hell do you know what was sufficient and what wasn't. I don't know if its arrogance or straight up stupidity.

You are really making yourself sound like a complete fool. It is people with the same mindset that you have that sat on the jury in the J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant Trial. A funny thing happened after they were found not guilty, THEY TOLD THE STORY OF HOW THEY ACTUALLY KILLED EMMITT TILL AND GOT PAID FOR IT.

 

It is not criminal assault to follow someone for any reason. Following someone is not illegal!!

 

True, but shooting and killing them is.

 

Not in self defense. Zimmerman is just a modern day superhero. The people hating on him either hate gun rights and want to abolish them at any opportunity or they're just mad it isn't a black person claiming the superhero status.

 

Normally true but not always. Reading the Florida law on assault any action that reasonably causes a person to fear for their safety is assault. Based upon the reported phone call between Martin and his girl friend he was very much afraid that Zimmerman intended to harm him.

I would personally state that an adult following a teenager at night that continues that pursuit to the point of closing within a threatening distance is certainly reason for a teenager to fear for their safety. This is my opinion but obviously this is a determination that really needs to be made by a jury. The question I'd want answered if I was sitting on the jury would be whether the events of that night reasonably caused Martin to fear for his safety. It would all depend on a lot of evidence we don't actually know from the news.

In any case there are grounds for the charges against Zimmerman. Two different judges have since agreed that the special prosecutor has enough evidence to warrant a trial. I seriously doubt that anyone here has more legal knowledge and specific knowledge related to the evidence that supports the prosecution than the judges it was presented to. Both judges had the opportunity to dismiss the charges for lack of evidence but obviously that evidence does exist because both order the case to continue.

Once again, the claim in the thread title is false. Zimmerman has had two opportunities for judicial review related to the evidence supporting the prosecution. Both judges independently came to the conclusion that the evidence is enough to warrant the prosecution. This is completely according to the rule of law and Zimmerman is receiving all of his legal Rights related to his prosecution.