Where are the good Christians?

That's your mantra, as if you are without sin and are able to cast the first stone. Be still for a change. This is a discussion board.

 

So, dairyair responded to the topic with an appropriate response. Is that it?

I don't understand why you are offended, proves you have not read the article. Not even the first sentance.

Some of the so-called Christians on here fit the article perfectly, and you have demonstrated it throughout the Religion section and even this thread.

I say so-called because even I know you do not follow teachings of Jesus (pbuh). You seem to think, just because you say you are a Christian and believe in God that this makes you a Christian. It doesn't work like that.

The same standard goes for all believers of Allah/God/Yahweh, of course.

 

I've never ever claimed to be without sin. I don't call someone's sin worse than mine. Plain and simple.
I try to live by the golden rule. I can't control, nor do I have a desire to control how someone chooses to live their lives. Unless, they are near and dear to my heart. And it is destroying them physically or emotionally.

 

What you describe is why I don't think and religion in the world today is true. In some way or fashion have man made influence in their doctrines. Are no longer a true chruch and therefore, IMO, are all false religions.

 

You didn't see them because you are blinded by stupidity.

I was working for a newspaper at the time 9/11 was unfolding. Every TV in the building was tuned to the events. A Pakistani work mate turned to me a said, and I'll quote,," Those poor poor people." An Albanian Muslim work mate was almost in tears.

 

Whichever deity resurrects his dead followers first might be the real one. But since none will ever get resurrected they are all wasting their time kneeling, bowing, and praying.

 

LOL! Are you addressing me, OLeb? Have I judged you? All you can do is point the finger, spin, name-call, and refuse to refute BIBLICAL,TORAH & TANAKH PROOF THAT CONTRADICTS THE QUR'AN. It is exactly what Islam teaches, DECEPTION WHEN CONFRONTING NON-(ISLAMIC) BELIEVERS. You are true to your faith.

What you think about me is of no concern. My judge is God, not some goofy Muslim sitting on the other side of a keyboard.

 

If I were you, I wouldn't be condemning another religion before giving your own religion a review. If your Catholic, as your name suggests, they have a rather speckled history.

 

In response to the OP:

I too feel Christianity is in trouble in the US, it seems everything in the bible that can be used to control another human beings actions is all most Christians care about. Its like anything jesus said about forgiveness, peace and love has been thrown right out.

Its Christianity, cept no Jesus, it makes no sense to me at all.

 

Oleb there are good Christians, just like there are good Muslims, good Jews, good people of every race and religion. Joan of Arc, Christianity is a religion based on love, whats the point of being called a Christian if you dont even do what Christ tells you to do. Oleb personally i respect Islam, even if i dont follow it, Muhammed was very respectful to Christians and Jews back then. Truthfully i believe that the first book of the Quran was the real book, seeing as the more agressive second book was written several hundred years later.

 

exactly, good and bad people can be any religion, the more one tries to convert bad people to their religion, the more bad people they will have in their religion

 

Exactly, what is Christianity without the teachings of Jeus (pbuh)?

But why have the so-called Christians who ignore his teachings not get questioned very much? That is what the op-ed is saying, where are the ones speaking out against those men mentioned.

These are rhetorical questions, don't mean to put you specifically on the spot.

The actions of some influential Christian figures in America are becoming like watered down wacky Muslims figures or Jewish figures in say, Saudi Arabia and "Israel".

 

Trust me, I know. I live in Canada and attend public schools. I can name hundreds of great Christians, Jews and atheists.

I thank you for the respect, and am more than happy to say the same. When you insult the Torah, or the Bible, or Judaism or Christianity you are insulting God's message and his followers. Same goes with Quran and Islam.

I don't know what you mean about 2nd book, but feel free to carry the discussion in the Islam Thread I started.

 

It is an unfortunate fact that there will always be extreme examples of any organized religion. I'm a Christian. I have no problem with Muslims, Mormans, gays or whatever. How about you?


BTW, you realize that posting an article that highlights the most negative examples of Christianity, you're doing very much the same thing that you find so distateful in those specific Christians, right? Especially the members you reference here. So you're different how, exactly?
Just a thought.

 

Well said.

I have a problem with people who try to convert people. I think you should let somebody find their right faith themselves.

If someone came up to me and asked if I think they should convert to Islam, I wouldn't say yes or no. I would tell them, if you want to, look into the faith, ask questions, and decide for yourself.

I think people who try to convert uninterested people are creating more problems, because these people did not convert because of their own desire but because of pressure.

Off topic rant is over now.

 

I didn't mean to come off as generalizing all Christians as gay Muslim Mormon haters.

But is it not better to speak out rather than ignore people like those described in the op-ed and even posting on this forum?

I know from experience that this is not the best strategy to deal with the extremists trying to highjack and paint bad images of your respective faiths.


I did not have any intention to insult Christianity with this thread, only to share Obeidallah's op-ed and discuss the points he makes. Nor did I blantaly insult the faith, it's teachings, the majority of its followers, and its holy Scripture. That is how I am different.

 

Hmmm. Well okay I guess. I mean, I refrain from posting negative posts about Islam or Muslims. So it seems that since you Cut & Pasted, instead of just saying things yourself, you are now holding yourself faultless because you can justify it with the rationalization that you personally didn't write it.

Recently, Muslims have been blowing up Christian churches in Northern Nigeria. I suppose I could start a thread called "Muslims Kill Christians" and create the kind of emotions such a thread would evoke. Then I could say "Well I'm not being negative toward Muslims, I just want to discuss the points made in the article." couldn't I?

Then I could claim I'm different because I Cut & Pasted my negativity. Personally, I would rather see someone who just had the stones to say "This is what pisses me off about a lot of Christians."

But I'm kinda hijacking your thread here and will let you get back to those points that someone else makes, which you want to discuss.

 

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First of all the crusades are long over. The reason for people trying to cause trouble between Muslim, Jews, and Christians is for politcal, and finanical reasons. Some people who are easily influenced begin to see one religion being bigotted against their religion so they do the same. Then the hatred that has been fuelled by media and government becomes very much reality.
Another thing the Catholic Church is very welcoming to gay people. We all have our weaknesses, but the Catholic Church does not condone given into our weaknesses. However when we do fall it is always willing to forgive our transgressions, and help us in our struggles. The fact of the matter is Protestant fundamentalists are more homophobic than the Catholic Church, they speak hatred of anyone who is this way inclined. The Catholic Church recognises we all have weakness and we must try to overcome our wrongful desires whatever they maybe. Your opinion is bias unfounded and completely untrue.

 

I am a Catholic, I do not hate gays, or muslims or anyone in fact. However when we see wrong being committed we must say it is wrong. Society at large has become if it is right for you then who am I to say anything. This is a wrong attitude to have because such things are detrimental to society at large. Drug addicts have an impact on society, prostitutes have an impact on society, alcholics,abortion, sexual promiscuity, homosexuality, etc, etc. All these things have an impact on our society at large. We must condemn the wrongs in society, if we seen a man killing other people we do not say oh well if thats what makes him happy who am I to interfere. We know it to be wrong we know it should not be tolerated and accepted. In the west the word 'intolerance' has become a criticism, in the right circumstances this is right it should be a criticism but it should not always be. For the simple reason some things should not be tolerated in society, we should so intolerance for wrongful behaviour.
Also the Catholic Church does not come out with as much hate filled speech as some fundamentalist Protestants, muslims, Jews or or people of any other religious background. The Catholic Church knows and accepts people have weakness and sin, we all do. The Catholic Church shows compassion and forgiveness towards everyone. The reason why some people do not like it is because the Church holds to the truth.

 

Well stated, Sean Michael. You have stated the pure truth of Catholic doctrine, and Jesus' teachings.

 

Are you a good Christian? Can you look into yourself and truely say that you are perfect? Dont question others until you have questioned yourself, by posting things like this you dishonor and disobey Christs teachings.

 

What you fail to understand is we are born into this world but we do not belong to this world. In the meantime, while having to make our way through life we are called to refute the lies against our faith as well as correct social wrongdoings. We'd be awfully stupid people if we did not stand up for the religious truth taught to us by our respective faiths. I believe it would also be rather hypocritical of us to support a religion of lies which has taken upon itself the task of rewriting Biblical & Hebrew scripture in order to pursue the political agenda of a false prophet.

I don't hate Muslims. They are to be prayed for and treated with tolerance. However, I will not condone the sins and lies of Islam just because Muslims feel offended. The truth is in Christian & Hebrew scripture. Thus, I will continue my quest to enlighten those who have been deeply misinformed.

I do respect the devotion in prayer, fasting, spiritual struggle within oneself i.e. personal jihad of a Muslim toward his/her Allah, which of course is not the same Judeo-Christian Yahweh of scripture. Additionally, I also believe these Muslim aspects of devoted faith are lessons from which all (regardless of religious affiliation) can learn. Yet, I will never recognize the so-called righteousness within a cult's teaching of slaying their own brothers & sisters who renounce Islam. That is quite an oxymoron when considering Islam is supposed to be the religion of peace. What most uneducated (in Islam) people fail to realize is peace comes at the end of the world as we know it. Until then, it is a political jihad against the unbelievers/kafirs of Islam.

Sorry, friend. There is a difference between right and wrong. I will support the right side of the argument until I am called home.

 

Have you accually researched the islamic religion? If not i suggest you do so before questioning. There are no evil intentions, no world destroying objective for most. There are only radicals. If you realize that we do not belong here then why spend it judging. Did Jesus not tell us to forgive the sins of man over and over. Also i would like to point out, who gave you the power to judge? That is God's, and God's alone to judge the morality of the people. Do not judge the speck in their eye while you have a plank in yours. The best thing you could do as a Christian is to be forever tolerant and forgiving while spending constant time on self reflection. Do you think that Christ condemed those who crucified him? Some of his most loyal followers of the time came from that unit.

 

The good Christians prepare themselves to the time after Dictatorship of Politically Correctness will be broken and True Christian Churches will became time on TV in medias, state support with tax money and more opportunities for free preaching.
The good Christians will help awakening governments to send Islam back to Saudi Arabia and Iran.Thereafter good Christians will establish Traditional Christian Values again. I hope you are satisfied with my answer.