That's awesome Makedde! I have been there myself and you should be proud of yourself for sticking to your guns!!
I don't care if I'm the last man on Earth without a tattoo. Never gonna get ink. We can play the game, a neuro-surgeon has a tattoo...an astronaut has a tattoo...the President of these United States has a tattoo...Mother Teresa has a tattoo. I don't care. I think they're dumb, they look dumb...they don't make you look like a bad-ass, they don't make you look sexy...they don't make you look interesting....they make you look dumb. You may not be dumb, you may be brilliant, you may be a great person, you may be a kind person..you may be an interesting person,...the story behind the tattoo may be interesting....but the tattoo makes you look dumb. This is my perception of them and of course, perception may vary. My opinion is not the final say on tattoos, but it is my opinion of them.
And let's not forget, your version of God may not let you into his magical fairy land if you decided to get ink. Best to play it safe.
I'm not playing the religious angle. Lot's of things look dumb. Black socks with sandals and shorts, pants hanging down so low it exposes a person's behind.... however a tattoo is a permanent reminder of a dumb decision. Obviously a lot of folks under 40 think it's very cool and I'm sure a lot of you get compliments on your tattoos. It doesn't make you a bad person to have them, and automatically a criminal...it's just to us non-tattooed folks from a different generation...it's not cool to us.
What's an an even less intelligent life choice is remaining uneducated about the latest information on health before one decides what is "good" or "bad" in terms of health. There's very little wrong with being overweight. Morbid obesity carries a share of issues, but studies show that being above some "normal" or idealized weight carries very little, if any risk. In fact, recent studies show that being underweight carries as much risk as, if not more than, morbid obesity. Frequently those who appear very fit will suffer more chronic health problems than those who are a bit overweight. Athletes suffer frequent injuries to limbs and joints, and develop numerous issues that require extensive, and dangerous, surgeries in their later years. Health and nutrition are complex, and definitely not as simple as "he's overweight and because talking heads say overweight is bad, he must be unhealthy.". Dietary choices and being overweight are two separate issues. If Herk is eating a diet of healthy proteins and fats and avoiding processed sugars, oils and other garbage, then he may very well be healthier than most "fit" people who burn off all of the bad calories with heavy cardio regimens.
I can accept that. I've never been a high and tight buzz cut...sort of person. Makes me look dumb. On some folks it works though. Those actually in the service often don't have a choice. In basic military training, the first order of business is a buzzcut for the males. They want everyone to look the same. Once out of the service, it becomes a personal choice. I suppose having a tattoo is an expression of individuality, or at least used to be. With 45 million Americans with tattoos, it's not as rare as it used to be. I saw my first tattoo on a guy's forearm with the Marine Corps globe and anchor and found it fascinating, as a kid....visible tattoos were rare. Now go to any supermarket in the Summer when folks wear more revealing clothes and I bet I can count quite a few with tattoos. It doesn't make you a bad person to have them, just not my cup of tea.
I thought it was pretty simple. Everybody has different likes/dislikes. I don't care whether or not a painting can be resold or put away if you are tired of looking at it, I still don't understand why anyone would pay thousands + for one. Good for you. That is of course a personal opinion. I don't mind the permanency of tattoos, really, what's the difference? We all die anyway. Human beings themselves aren't permanent. This is where you lose me. Frankly, I don't think you have any idea WTF you are talking about. I think you are over analyzing it. I get a lot of gratification from my tattoos. I have been getting tattoos for almost 11 years. I don't mind the permanency of it. Did you bother to read my earlier post? Lifestyle. No. Culture. Yes. This again? I remember you telling the same story in the last tattoo thread we had. We get it, you knew one guy who owned a tattoo parlor who was an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). SO WHAT? Yes sir. I am getting on the police department and all my tattoos have been logged and explained by me numerous times.
Find me a doctor or nutritionist that will tell you a 40 something year old male that had a medium frame at most with a BMI , at minimum, of 29 is not overweight and is not at a larger risk of health related problems that one who's BMI is within normal range.
It's a snob thing then... The usual. Look at people who are really intent on posting against tattoos, not all of them but a fair number of the most vehement seem to think they are "better" than people who have tattoos.
They are nothing special, no crazy art work I mean. A black eagle on the palm of my hand, an 8 point star with my daughters initials in the center, and a few military oriented ones I picked up years ago. All are just in black ink
I can find plenty. BMI is *way* overrated. A person can be 29 BMI and not overweight, and still, even if he or she is overweight, not necessarily suffer any health issues because of it. A competent doctor or nutritionist knows this, though doctors these days rarely have much time with their patients, so can rarely do anything but go by the government-approved textbooks. If a doctor or nutritionist automatically defines a person's normality or excess by the BMI, then he or she is not competent in that role. Your argument is an appeal to authority. Unfortunately, people rely too much on what they are told, rather than discovering for themselves. Again, I maintain that an intelligent life choice is to find out for one's self what is normal for one's self, and learn to listen to one's own body. I am 43, I am 5'11" and my BMI is 29. I am a "70's Big" type in that I pack a lot of muscle on my big frame, and due to the primal blueprint, I have a high bone density. My body fat is 15.3%. I was obese for years, but never suffered any health effects from it and I always ate healthy, whole grains and low fat foods like conventional wisdom prescribes. It's when I discovered the primal blueprint, which defies conventional wisdom, that I stopped the grains and went on a diet high in animal fats, proteins, vegetables, and certain fruits. I also dumped any oil that can't be made outside a factory and all sugar not obtainable in fruit (except for a little bit of dark chocolate every day.) I went from 37.5% to 15.3% body fat in 8 months and if anyone tells me that what I'm doing is wrong, I'll merely sympathize with his ignorance. My father is 70, obese by any measure, and yet has never had any significant health issues. His cholesterol is low, his blood pressure is normal and I can't remember the last time he was sick from even a minor illness. In my family, being overweight is not particularly unhealthy. I just wanted to look good in a tight shirt for once in my life. Going primal made it easy. I eat like a king and got trim by turning the "healthy" USDA food pyramid upside down.
I'm not here to listen to a pitch for your latest fad diet, and I could care less about your daddy. For every one of your daddys, there are a dozen of people who have died of heart disease. My gradfather had smoked for 50 years and is still going strong. It doesnt change the fact that millions die of smoking related causes of death every year. A person that has a small to medium frame and has a BMI of 29, they are teetering on obesity. If you can provide me with any stastical data that contradicts that a person who's obese being more likely to die of heart disease or a slew of other related illnesses, I'd love to hear it. And please, I'd prefer to not consider you or your daddy any form of legit data. And please send them to my inbox, as I have admittedly taken this thread off track.
This is correct.I feel better than those who plaster their bodies with Tattoo. It's like cursing.Those who don't are most always better people for not doing so. Just Imagine if yer Grandmom used the " F " word every other sentence. Or walked around the Kitchen with sailor tattoo all over her forearms.
Funny, but eating as humans did for hundreds of thousands of years only with more consistency is hardly a "fad". What is faddish is the notion that whole grains and low fat are healthy and listening to doctors and nutritionists who are only allowed, by law, to disseminate what is told to them by a government agency which is politically directed. Such conventional "wisdom" is relatively new and is directly correlated to the rise in obesity in Americans in the last 35 years. As animal and saturated fats have been replaced by sugar and polysaturated fats, people have gotten fatter. yet, studies are beginning to show that it's not weight that is the cause of heart disease, but inflammation. Inflammation is due to diet. The ingestion of sugars and heavily processed vegetable oils cause inflammation even in those who are at "normal" weight. What is faddish is the notion that a glob of heavily processed wheat laden with sugar is "heart healthy" (hey, the FDA says so, so it must be true!) but butter and lard are verboten I'm not "pitching" anything. You diagnosed Herk as being unhealthy and making "less intelligent" choices because he does not conform to your ideal of normality. I pointed out that your diagnosis is bunk and based on an appeal to authority. You have no evidence that he is unhealthy, and your evidence that he might suffer a significant risk of anything is flimsy, at best. Well, you didn't even provide evidence. So now it's just obese? Not just a bit overweight? Herk doesn't look obese to me, yet you claimed he is making "less intelligent" choices by allowing himself to carry a bit of extra padding. Make up your mind.
While you criticize people for getting a tattoo for biblical reasons like you did in a earlier post, you display the Cardinal sin of Pride like it's going out of style. How very Christian of you.
Obesity is calculated with the BMI index, with 30 being considered obese by medical standards. At 6'1 and 220 with a small to medium frame, a quarter pounder will put him ovrt 29 and at 30 and into obese range by modern medical standards. What you think he looks like is beyond irrevelant. I think I'll stick with opinion of the medical community over a random poster who says things based on opinion without providing any medical or stastical data. Do I have to provide you links to prove that someone in the obese range suffers a higher risk of health related issues? This new information to you? Now again, try super duper hard and refute what I said with stastical data other than your daddy, and try even harder to send them to me in a private message so this doesn't turn into a pissing match in a tattoo thread.
I like those temporary tattoos that you put on yourself with a slightly damp sponge. They look real for the first day and even into the second day but they start to peel off later on. so if you want to draw attention for a specific day then put one on in the morning no one will know if its real or fake and you get impressed looks all day long.
I appreciate the back up. He took one look at a photo and diagnosed me as an obese...walking heart attack. It's a tattoo thread, not a chubby guy thread... Just have to say one thing. I had my prostate removed, and part of the medications...post-prostate was estrogen derivatives...which leads to mild "man boob" syndrome and weight gain. Not making excuses for poor exercise and eating habits...but wanted to get it out there since brutal honesty is the rule. By the way for Kronik, I would describe myself as a solid medium frame, certainly not small. I've always been "bigger" on top, it's how I'm built. Even in perfect health, I'm never going to be a chiseld, wispy sort of fellow.
I I calculated your BMI using a medium frame, but your forearms looked skinny like mine so I wasn't sure. I'm not trying to rip your ass, and I don't have a problem with the heavier set crowd, and as I may rip you from time to time as a person you have my respect, which you earned. Early I was tying to illustrate what I saw as hypocrisy at its finest, one calling a decision dumb while practicing a dumb decision willingly. You also struck a nerve with me by starting to quote Leviticus, the favorite book of the Westboro Baptist Church crowd. My words may come off harsh or too straight forward, but that's just how I am. I'm sure in another setting we'd be having a beer and swapping stories.
I'm not Jewish, I'm a gentile... and I believe much of the Old Testament's cultural rules didn't apply to gentiles. Just pointing out it's mentioned as a no-no, getting tattoos. Therefore some use Leviticus as motivation to attack the tattooed. My Dad would have beaten me with a belt if I came home with a tattoo, and not because it's a sin; much of this conversation (tattoo or non-tattoo) is cultural based not religious. It's engrained in my thought process to associate tattoos negatively...I do have an irrational cultural bias against them
Times change I suppose. My father and mother gave me crap when they saw my first two for the first time. I hadn't seen either in a year, and I came back to Ohio for a few days. My Polish mother, who's as conservative as the come, started welling up when she saw them. My dad, who was a strict military officer growing up, didn't say much because he was happy I was home and didn't want to spoil the time, but I could tell he wasn't thrilled his son had been inked. It was awkward talking my mother down when she welled up, because I had never seen her cry other than when my grandmother died. She's a very strong woman and at that point in my life, returning home from Iraq, to see her cry over a tattoo was rather unsettling for me. I've since got 2 more and she hasn't said much about them, and I suppose has learned to deal with it. I feel everyone is their own person though, so to each their own.
I understand. My Dad was born in 1927...so I had an "older father" growing up...we never related as friends or anything. His way or the highway, and aside from sailors and convicts tattoos were seen as something for sideshow freaks. Times do change, and I don't think tattoos reflect a person's character any longer, but my bias is still there. I have friends with tattoos, my 37 y/o attorney has a tattoo...it doesn't prevent me from trusting his work.
I did also.But that was back around the age when I still went out Trick R Treat'n. Like I've stated,the psychology of the need for Tattoos is rooted in some childhood mishap or discovery.Like wanting to be like Superman. The next best thing would be a Superman graphic on one's bodice.
