The Biggest Mistake of Campaign 2012…

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  1. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. Collect taxes from all of us so private businesses could grow. Gee. Think we had any hand in the success of those companies?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The government is not in business. But, without all those things we all provide, most businesses wouldn't be in business.
     
  3. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    So show us the risk that government assumes.
     
  4. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Holy Crapoly!

    You got student loans? Do you know who funded and guaranteed those loans?
    You went to school on the GI bill? You do know that the GI bill is a government program?

    Seriously dude. You owe ALL of your success to all of us. YOU'RE WELCOME!
     
  5. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Businesses pay most of the taxes.
     
  6. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The government is not in business.

    Was the first time I said this too complicated for you to understand.

    Tell you what:

    Da gubmint ain't in bidness.

    That clear it up for you?
     
  7. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    ok glad we cleared that up.

    Cause that proves that business is difficult, and government is easy.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think not.

    View attachment 14088

    Not even close.
     
  9. Lowden Clear

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    What a goof. You must have eaten your hat long ago.

    We, the people, pay taxes. That is a far cry from saying the government built our businesses for us. Only liberal logic would observe the two as equal.
     
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    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And a large part of why business is so hard is because of government. You don't need Windex to see that point clearly.
     
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    And a large part of why business is so hard is because of government. You don't need Windex to see that point clearly.
     
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    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

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    Are you kidding me???

    ALL small businesses contributed to the building of all of those items. Those items are built using tax money.....tax money that small businesses are require to pay along with everybody else.

    Businesses were successful long before there were any roads, harbors, or airports. Heck, businesses have been around and successful long before Governments.
     
  13. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem.
     
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    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know Mike, all of us who have started businesses have stories to tell of struggle, commitment, of no money to cover everything. It is a badge of honor for most of us. It signifies how bad we want something, of how much advancing an idea means to us. To have the vision and drive to accomplish the building of a business is such a creative process. One of the major story lines we love to talk about is overcoming government hurdles. Weaving through the maze of regulations, tax codes or just plain interacting with a government representative provides hours of tales to be told.

    What these small minded liberal minions don't grasp is our businesses are owned by us. We are the property owners of our ideas, we create something viable where before there was nothing. Our intellectual property belongs to us because WE created it. We brought it to life through determination and individual spirit, we believed deeply in ourselves about something we could see but nobody else could. WE took the chance on it, we own it, it is ours. We are the king of ourselves because we are our own masters. We decide who we do business with and the manner in which we will do it.

    Collectively, we all know that government is our biggest concern and we have to hire people just to make sure they stay off our back. We spend way too much to keep government away and as far out of day to day problems as possible. They are the biggest hazard a company could ever face and they are the biggest reason so many start up businesses go under.
     
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    They'll never admit to "getting" the "chicken-egg" concept surrounding the inspiration of organized governance....
    as sycophantically protecting their government-centric, collectivist Boy King trumps all.

    Human inventiveness, industriousness and commerce, like natural rights and liberty, exist in the absence of the state...
    the state can only glom on to, exploit, regulate, tax, infringe, impede, and, through laws, "protect", promote and satisfy requests for infrastructure that fosters a favorable environment for such to prosper.

    Obama, and his collectivist fellow travelers not only believe, but actively propagandize just the opposite....that government and central planning IS THE REASON human inventiveness, industriousness, commerce, rights and liberty exist.
     
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    exist in the absence of the state... How true.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anyone not interested in even further enriching the 1% at the expense of the 99.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    get a job, please
     
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    and be "enslaved" by the "1%"...are you kidding?...someone's time is apparently better spent promoting government enslavement through coercion and taxation....and offering "correlation equals causation" arguments to support the "need" to be enslaved by government.
     
  20. Consmike

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    Awesome post my friend. You hit the nail on the head and its one of the best lines in Atlas Shrugged. When the government wanted to offer Rearden money to buy his companies and he turned them down....and his answer, was, "because its mine".

    The essential part of being a free society, is not only to realize that you are free as a human being, but that you can own property. Weather it be a house, car, coin collection or a business. That property is not just a good, it is part of your life. When you work hard long hours to attain something, that is part of your life, and in turn your life is put into your property. That is why the founders put so much effort on property when speaking about it in the many of the documents written by them.

    And it brings up another point, that if we are to pay more taxes, that is the government not just taking money from us, but also, taking more of our freedom, as we spend our lives working for what we want.

    I could not agree more with you, and what you are saying should be spoken about each and every day until this nation gets back on track and people realize what it is to work hard.
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Why are you so hell bent on taking the life of one group to give it to another?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop lying, please.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what are you blathering about now?
     
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    Nothing but deflection and spin. The government achieves nothing without business intervention.
    Next stupid argument please!
     
  25. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Why do you want to take the life of one group and give it to another?
     

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