Atheism is responsible for more crimes in history than all religions

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  1. Giftedone

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    People do not have to be nuts or stupid to be Christians. .. and neither do Atheists.

    There were however many Christians who supported all kinds of horrible attrocities (including mass genocide).

    If you knew anything about Biology you would realize that the single human cell at conception is not a baby.

    If you actually knew anything about the Bible you would know that God commanded that people have abortions in the OT and Jesus never mentioned it.
     
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    A Christian abides by higher laws than everybody else, including Atheists. You could claim that not murdering people is common sense. Okay, granted, who cares? God made this a Commandment for a reason. And punishment and forgiveness is part of that reason. That's why the Commandment is made explicit. Atheists don't believe in God, or Commandments, or laws. Atheists follow THEIR OWN LAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you see??????????????

    An atheist can justify murder, based on subjective, opinions. Christians abide by HIGHER STANDARDS, this is called MORALITY and ETHICS. Atheists don't have this. Atheists are ruled by instinct, unthinking, closer to ANIMALS NOT HUMANS.

    I repeat this over and over, listen. I CHALLENGE AN ATHEIST TO GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE OF ANIMALS GETTING MARRIED IN NATURE!!!!!!!! Just show me one example of a specie, other than human, where two animals, male and female, hold a wedding ceremony, in a church, in front of a community, with a cleric, priest, or bishop present for Divine witness, and the bride is virgin. SHOW ME JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

    You can't, do you know why, little atheists? Because humans, TRUE CHRISTIANS, are CLOSER TO GOD, FARTHER AWAY FROM ANIMALS. Atheists take a step backward, or, just run away from GOD. Atheists want to revert, go backward, into an animal state. This is why atheists are contemptuous creatures. Their hatred of GOD also signifies a hatred in MORALS, ETHICS, and LAWS.

    Atheists are selfish. Atheists want the power of GOD, which is the power to judge others, and knowledge and wisdom of justice. But, atheists cannot have this power, because this is something only GOD wields.
     
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    Never smoked weed in my life. Let's just put that on the giant pile of lies you've told in the last couple days, lying (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Neutral explained to you why your response is so amateur and WRONG.

    Atheist morality is "do no harm" to others? What does HARM mean? You don't even know what that means, atheists.

    PROPERTY??? So, you atheists are agreeing with me when I say that the son and daughter of a husband and wife, are their PROPERTY? You agree with me, that parents OWN their children as property? I could have sworn not but two weeks ago, a bunch of you hysterical atheists attacked me for SAYING EXACTLY THAT!!! Now you're agreeing with me????
     
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    Yet animals can tell right from and have their own sense of morality.

    Animals 'can tell right from wrong': Scientists suggest it's not just humans who have morals

    This proves that humans do not have the market cornered on morals as the religious folk would want you to believe.

    You may now continue on with your rant about your imaginary friend.
     
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    Neutral reasonings are false. Harm can be objectively shown. When it is, it does not matter the opinion of the perpetrator, their actions are immoral.

    When harm cannot be objectively shown, you move out of the realm of morals and into the realm of values.

    Ownership of another person is slavery and a violation of that person's property (people own themselves). So no, I don't agree with you.
     
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    And you follow the laws of society which have many laws that aren't included in the Bible. So, you follow secular laws as well.

    No, Christians do not abide by higher standards. There is no punishment for a Christian who commits murder, repents, and accepts Jesus as his savior, is there?

    Has anybody ever made the argument that this has ever happened in nature? Or are you just making an asinine strawman argument?

    Your God signifies a hatred for morals and ethics as well. Unless you think that slavery or forcing women that were raped to marry their rapists is somehow moral.

    So you don't have any power to judge others unless you admit that YOU want the power of God.
     
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    willy-wonka-wilder1.jpg

    please.
     
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    No...........animals do NOT have a sense of morality. Unless, you are talking about atheists who are more alike to animals, than to humans???

    Morality is for humanity, not animals. Only ATHEISTS believe that humans and animals are EQUAL. How laughable!!!!!!! If you are convinced that you are an animal, then I guess it makes sense why you atheists ACT LIKE ANIMALS!!!!!!! Why not go defecate and have sex in the middle of the street next??????

    Don't you have any sense of decency?
     
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    Harm cannot be objectively shown. How can it?

    There's no Commandment that says, "Don't harm people." Why not? Because HARM is too vague, it doesn't really mean anything coherent. Harm to one person is not harmful to another. Food can be poisonous and harmful to one person with allergies, but healthy to another person.


    Parents OWN their children, and are property of their parents. Kidnapping is IMPOSSIBLE unless children are owned by somebody. Kidnapping is not a crime, unless you acknowledge that biological parents OWN their biological children.
     
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    Then you are just the typical religious sheeple who has lost the ability to think. I feel sorry for you.

    Animals can tell right from and have their own sense of morality.

    Animals 'can tell right from wrong': Scientists suggest it's not just humans who have morals

    PS: you are an animal. You may not believe it, but your participation IS mandatory.
     
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    You're right, I do, but secular laws are LESS THAN religious GOD law. And, it should stay this way.


    That depends on the crime and forgiveness. There is still punishment in Christianity, are you that ignorant? Christians have had strict punishments for crimes for ages!!! You're missing the point. Repentance is about avoiding HELL, not avoiding PUNISHMENT. You need to separate the two. Hell is much worse than punishment.

    Punishment is like being beaten with a rod. Hell is punishment AFTER death. Hell is much worse.


    I'm showing atheists how ridiculous you guys are. I'm proving that you're closer to animals, who do NOT have marriage, or religion, or culture, or beliefs. You're farther away from HUMANS and closer to ANIMALS. Humans abide by higher laws, morals, ethics, virtues, principles. Marriage is strictly CHRISTIAN. Atheists who get married are COPYING from a CHRISTIAN institution. Atheists are wannabe Christians.


    There's nothing wrong with parents OWNING their own children as property. Children ARE the physical and intellectual property of their parents. Whoever says otherwise is lying to you.


    There are two doctrines for CHRISTIAN judgments.

    "Judge not lest ye be judged"
    "Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

    As a Christian, you can JUDGE other people, if you are ready to be judged.
    As a Christian, you cannot cast the first stone against those who share your own SINS.

    The second phrase means, don't be a hypocrite. If I have cheated on my wife, then I cannot condemn another man for him cheating on his wife. Only a successfully married man can CONDEMN and JUDGE a man who cheats on his wife, because he has HIGHER VIRTUE. If a man cheats on his wife, then single people cannot condemn him, because they are single and unmarried. Single people do not have the RIGHT TO JUDGE a married couple, because the married couple is SUPERIOR than single people. So children cannot judge or condemn adults, usually. And single people cannot condemn married people, usually.

    That's all it means.
     
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    This is a common atheist error..........

    Just because YOU are an animal, and are ruled by instinct, does not mean ---I--- am an animal, understand? Humans are HIGHER than animals. It's unfortunate that you atheists do not understand this basic fact of life. Humanity is ABOVE all the other animals on Earth.
     
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    Yes it can. If you shoot me, you have objectively caused me harm.

    Kidnapping is possible because it is the violation of one person's property (their own body) against their will.

    Parents do not own children. If they do, then you should not have a problem with abortion. After all, one of the keys to property ownership is the right to destroy that property.
     
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    If you are an human being, then you are homosapien.

    Homosapiens are part of The Great Ape Family, which includes Orangutangs, Chimpanzees and Gorillas.

    To cut this short, The Great Ape Family is all mammals. And all mammals are ANIMALS.

    So if you are not an animal, what do you claim to be?

    You are an animal. You may not believe it, but your participation IS mandatory.
     
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    To further expand on this.

    You simply THINK we are higher than animals. No, we are animals. Its just that we are on top of the food chain. That does NOT make up better than animals.

    Really what this boils down to, is human egocentricism. Some think we are the most important thing in the universe. In reality, we are not even grain of sand next to the Earth. The universe could dispose of us right now, and NOTHING it the universe would change or even notice.

    Pretty sad way to live a life – to put humans on a pedestal when there is no reason to.
     
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    That's not objective, I could shoot you with a nerf toy gun causing you NO harm.


    Children don't have a will, but children ARE the physical property of their parents. Parents own their children, this is why another man or woman cannot steal them away. Because they are owned property.

    Children do not own themselves.


    You're completely, utterly, 100% wrong.


    Parents do not have the right to murder their children, people are a different type of property.

    For example, let's say a farmer has a son and a cow. The farmer can slaughter the cow for meat. But, the farmer cannot kill his son. There's a difference. This is where you need to look at God's Laws regarding people and ownership.
     
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    Prove positively that I give a rip.

    No more so than a non-belief in the tooth fairy is faith.

    ... not fall for your silly trolling.
     
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    This is atheist garbage. Just because YOU are an animal, doesn't make me an animal. Animals cannot get married. Humans can, that's one of the main differences.
     
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    What a waste of oxygen...
     
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    :laughing: Humans prove that animals can indeed get married :p
     
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    You're just mad that I'm right, Durandal. Did you think children own themselves? You're wrong, biological parents own biological children, as property.

    Free Will is not granted to everybody, equally. Free Will is given only to those who SEEK GOD and KNOW HIM.
     
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    Did I say anything about a toy gun?

    If you shoot me with a Smith and Wesson SW-500 loaded with live ammo then you have objectively caused me harm.

    Children do have a will. Children can't be stolen away because they own themselves and to steal them violates their own property rights.

    Of course they do. Everyone owns themselves. It's the basis for all property rights and the immediate invalidation of all forms of slavery.

    So you advocate slavery? Because that is what the ownership of another human being is.

    Property is property is property. If you don't have the right to destroy something, then it isn't your property.
     
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    If you are a human, than you are an animal.

    Animals don’t sit on a toilet to take a dump, we do. Every ANIMAL has their own uniqueness about them.

    Some of us just realize this, others erroneously think we are better than animals.
     
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    Who are you to dictate who "owns" whom?
     

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