Lets assume I'm undecided..

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  1. ironmike

    ironmike New Member

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    Most people will agree this country needs jobs! A good economic plan to create jobs will likely cause a slippery slope chain reaction type of positive growth! More jobs= more money, more consumer spending, more revenue, more profits (this is what any business wants big or small), more reinvestments, higher wages, better productivity, more competition, lower prices, more taxpayers, more tax revenue, nicer communities, less crime, and it continues..
    Basically everyone and everything benefits from more jobs IN THIS COUNTRY! Who is more likely to get this done? Why?
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Duh, Romney. He's the one who actually ran a business before.
     
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    Honestly, niether one can "get it done" at this point. Obama further damaged the economy and signed stupid ignorant legislation that Romney is NOT going to repeal. and Romney is gonna put his on "whoopsies!" in place if he wins.

    So at the end of the day, I suggest you rent the movie Red Dawn and figure out how to pitch a Tent, use a Buck Knife and a Compass just in case.
     
  4. Badmutha

    Badmutha New Member

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    The Community Organizer who never ran so much as a lemonade stand......or the CEO/Successful Businessman/Governor?

    ....its a tough one huh?
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    Obama has had 4 years to get it done so ask yourself if he has improved the job situation or not. If you dont believe he has then throw his ass to the curb and try someone new.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    During the DNC convention most what was proposed was more "investment", which means either taxing more out of the dynamic economy, borrowing more, or printing more money. None of which will work in the long term.
     
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    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    Obama's had 4 years....and if he was going to put something in place that worked, he would have done so already. The guy's been pretty much a.w.o.l. in both domestic problems and foreign crisis like the recent Libya terrorist attack.

    The answer is ROMNEY.
     
  8. Craftsman

    Craftsman Banned

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    President Obama, without question.
    He has already turned the economy around, despite the republican obstruction, and he will keep building on that success.
    One thing is certain, romney will take us back to the failed conservative policies of tax cuts (raising the debt) that don't work, deregulation that doesn't work and privatization, which doesn't work.
     
  9. Skeptical Heretic

    Skeptical Heretic New Member

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    From what I remember he had a job plan though it was blocked by congress. Whether this would have worked or not is a separate issue but if you have a plan and it doesn't get passed can you still be blamed entirely for the situation?
     
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    Skeptical Heretic New Member

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    He hasn't really "turned the economy around" it's not exactly good it's still very bad though it is slightly getting better though at a very slow rate.
     
  11. General Fear

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    Obama is a traitor to the US. The governing philosophy of the US is liberty. It's the reason why we have a Statue of Liberty and no other country does.

    Tell me, how can we call ourselves free and be forced to buy something against our will. Forget economic policy. This election is far more important than a tax cut. We have to get rid of Obama because he is the enemy of personal liberty and civil rights.
     
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    Talk like that will sway voters away from mittens.....please keep it up.
     
  13. Craftsman

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    I don't think you can blame him.
    The republicans, who ran on 'jobs, jobs, jobs' have yet to produce a single jobs plan or bill.
     
  14. Skeptical Heretic

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    Eh I hate to break it to you but there are more statues of liberty.

    http://wikimapia.org/1575635/Statue-of-Liberty
     
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    When we are losing 750,000 jobs a month, unemployment is at 10%, the Dow is at record lows, foreclosures at record highs, and now we are GAINING jobs, unemployment is at 7.8% and the Dow is back to it's high.......that is most defiantly a 'turn around', when you were going down hill at break neck speed, and now you are going up hill, slowly, but going up, what have you done? Have you changed diffraction? Have you turned around?
    If you don't like the guy, thats fine, thats what make this country great, but for honesty sake, for your own integrity you have to admit he has turned the economy around.
    there is no question about it.
     
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    I've run a business for 25 years. Should I be president? Big difference between me and Romney is that I don't know how to fire people or lay waste to entire communities and he has all it down to a science. Plus I'm just better looking than Romney.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Actually should be comparing Romney to Obama. Obama has never run a business and doesn't know what he's doing therefore shouldn't be president.
     
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    Except for the McConnell Plan, correct?
     
  19. Skeptical Heretic

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    Actually it's a bit more complicated than that, obamas stimulus did stabilize the economy but putting everything down to the president even blame is not completely honest. As for the unemployment number any reasonable person would say that yes the economy is getting better but like I said it's more than just Obama so using that as a platform isn't really the best way to get votes because it further enforces ideas about the president controlling everything in the economy.

    I'll give a link and abstract from it to show what I mean.

    " It's also worth noting that economists say that presidents have a relatively modest impact on the ups and downs of jobs, so it can be a stretch to give Obama either credit for good job numbers or blame for weak job numbers."

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-obama-says-his-administration-has-created-5/
     
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    C'mon you know how to. You just prefer not to and be able to sleep at night.
     
  21. Smitty42

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    First, we have to remember that the President doesn't make laws (even if Obama thinks he can). It will take someone with leadership skills to grab the leaders of both parties in the House and Senate by the short hairs and start serious compromising on legislation that directly affects the Nation. As far as who can get the economy moving faster that a snail on ice, you have to look at the plans put forth by both candidates. So far, Romney has put forth an outline of his plan, but as of yet I have not heard any plan, other than Romney doesn't have a plan, from Obama. What I have been hearing and reading is that business owners say that it will cost jobs. Some have even said that if Obama is re-elected they will have to cut employee hours because of the ACA. People that have wanted to start a business say that the paperwork alone is a daunting task not counting the EPA roadblocks. Now the paperwork and licenses are both local, state and federal issues. The President has no control over those; but he can do something about the EPA and Federal legislation that hampers job growth. The US tax code is a total boondoggle and there isn't a single person who really understands it, this includes the IRS. We also have to look at entitlements. There are serious issues with Social Security and Medicare; has either candidate put forth any idea on either program. The answer is no on Social Security and only Romney has addressed Medicare and Medicaid. I just posted a report that welfare spending for 2011, not counting Social Security or Medicare, was over $1Trillion. There are over 83 overlapping Federal programs for welfare. Now on foreign affairs. Our economy and our military dictate how the world sees us. In the latest issue is the Libya debacle. Now, I don't know if this was a cover-up or total incompetence. But I am leaning toward a cover-up. Why, well Obama has been touting that al-Qaeda is on its heels and bin-Laden is dead. However, there seems to be a continuing re-emergence of terrorist groups in Africa, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and basically world wide. Obama has now changed his tune that al-Qaeda is on its heels. The Benghazi terrorist attack was a direct contradiction of Obama's ideology that he has successfully reduced the terrorist threat in the world. It appears that his Foreign Policy philosophy is now unraveling. So, to sum it up I see it this way.
    1. Leadership goes to Romney
    2. Foreign policy goes to Romney
    3. Economic issues go to Romney
    4. Increasing the welfare state goes to Obama
    5. Increasing the size of government goes to Obama
    6. Increasing Federal Regulations goes to Obama
    7. Getting the government out of the way goes to Romney

    So, it looks like we have 3 points going to Obama, only problem is they are all negative and 4 going to Romney which are all positive. So if you are undecided there is your answer.....Romney is the best chance for this nation.
     
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    Obama in the short run. Romney is for sure going to cause a deep, dark, depression. In two generations we'll probably have pulled ourselves out of the Romney Depression, so if you're looking long-term Romney could be your man.

    But I have a cup and pencil business that I'm looking to franchise. Maybe we can ALL have jobs.
     
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    Eisenhower never ran a business. Nixon never ran a business. Reagan never ran a business, just an anti-business actors union. Bush43 never ran a business he didn't plow under. In fact, the only successful businessman was Jimmy Carter. Still wanna run with that "we need a businessman president" stuff?
     
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    Actually I have had to fire a couple people over the years. I fired one guy because he was way over-qualified and I really wanted to do him a favor. It doesn't happen often, but when it does I have to follow it up with a 1.75 litre bottle of Jack Daniels.
     
  25. Smitty42

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    Well we do need a President with leadership qualities. Can you give me one example where Obama exhibited leadership?
     

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