Lets assume I'm undecided..

Firing him was doing him a favor? I bet he didn't think so.

 

Well as long as you dont count the 30+ Jobs Bills House Republicans have passed.......
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bush the failure ran 3 into the ground, one was an oil company! Should he have been President?
Running a business does not make one a good President.

 

So bottom line, he has turned the economy around, it's hard for you to admit it let alone say it.

 

Rightwing lies and talking points go to you.

 

What lies are you talking about? Please be specific.

 

'Jobs bills'!?
LOL!!
Those were not jobs bills!

 

He didn't think so that day, but he had a new job within 6 weeks. A job that he actually got a Ph.D to do. We're still buds.

 

There have been plenty examples of Obama's leadership. I think you're confusing leadership with 'winning' on every issue.

 

No, I am not confusing leadership with "winning". Do you know what leadership is? I would assume you do, so just give me one example where Obama exhibited leadership qualities

 

And, as I understand it, Bush got a big loan from bin Laden's brother to keep him in business in one of those three ventures. Failed anyway.

 

First off, how in the heck can anyone be undecided? You don't know whether or not you are rich?

 

What does being rich have anything to do with who you vote for?

 

Don't know about you, but I don't live in China. I don't really think either of them will, I don't think their of their plans will do what they say it will do. Obama, marginally...

 

What planet are you from? Everything Republicans do benefits the rich! That's something you should learn in kindergarten!

 

The government can do little to create jobs short of subsidizing industries. Both are likely to do that albeit in different sectors. Tax cuts don't create jobs. If they did we wouldn't have lost them to begin with as we've enjoyed the lowest tax rates over the past decade as we have since the 80s. The main job grower in the global economy China has business, income, AND consumption taxes. As well as taxes on everything from health care to how many children a family has. Why do they grow jobs, and we lose them?

Lower wages based on the fact that the government not only heavily subsidizes industry, but also individuals. If you're an American company, and you hire skilled workers you are expected to provide them Health insurance, Retirement plans, Equipment, facilities. If you're a Chinese company the government pays for or subsidizes all of that leaving you with a substantially less overhead costs letting you produce and manufacture your goods dirt cheap. I find it rather amusing really that this notion of less government creates jobs has gained such traction in this country while those same businessman flock in droves to do business in a pseudo communist country where they will be taxed to bejesus and back.

Now we don't need to go that far, but without at least government health care, subsidies, and retirement plans there is no way we will ever compete in a global job market with companies from countries that don't have those burdens.

 

Excellent post, thank you! Clear, concise and logical.
I'm afraid it will be attacked by 75% of the posters in this forum, but based on the intelligence and common sense reflected in your post, you will take criticism as a badge of honor.

Glad you're here!