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Rand Paul - Potential 2016 Presidential Bid

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by leftlegmoderate, Nov 20, 2012.

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  1. Zosiasmom

    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    Because a lot of people also simply stayed home. Look at the voter turnout.
     
    Zosiasmom, Nov 21, 2012
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    But this scenario is totally different. no national stage/every group of people does not equal national stage/minorities.

    It's not the same situation.
     
    The XL, Nov 21, 2012
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    You're both probably right.
     
    The XL, Nov 21, 2012
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    Perhaps, but those issues are going to require a lot of explaining. Keep in mind the libertarian candidate will need to battle against the liberal media just like conservatives do. The message won't reach most people, especially considering how most people are not political in general. Minorities just know that the Democrats are the "good guys", so they vote for them without really thinking about the issues. That's the sad reality of the American people at the moment.
     
    Brewskier, Nov 21, 2012
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  5. The XL

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    Of course the liberals are going to come off as the good guys against the Republicans. Crony capitalists who pander to the poor and throw them welfare vs crony capitalists who somewhat demonize the poor and want to cut welfare. Who do you think is going to win that battle?

    Libertarians are not crony capitalists, have more credibility than Republicans do, and a different message.
     
    The XL, Nov 21, 2012
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  6. Zosiasmom

    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, but Rand has towed some of the Republican line better than his father and won't have all of Fox News demonizing him the way they did his dad--oh except for Napolitano and Cavuto. So, yes, he'll have to fight the liberals but the liberals only got the youth vote because they hated Romney, not because they loved Obama this time. There is an explosion of liberty types on campuses since the Patriot Act got started.

    AND

    There are social libertarians like TRAT who might not vote Democrat if Republicans could offer them more.
     
    Zosiasmom, Nov 21, 2012
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  7. Brewskier

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    Libertarians will need to run as Republicans to secure the resources and framework to even have a chance at winning. They may have a different message, but the same overall narrative will be used against them by Democrats.
     
    Brewskier, Nov 21, 2012
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    They hated Romney, but they'd hate any Republican against someone like Obama.
     
    Brewskier, Nov 21, 2012
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    Yes, it will, but will it be as effective? I don't think so.
     
    The XL, Nov 21, 2012
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    Maybe not as effective, but most people won't care enough to explore their preconceptions. Most people vote mindlessly.
     
    Brewskier, Nov 21, 2012
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    Perhaps. I guess the only way we'll ever find out is if a libertarian manages to win the Republican nomination.
     
    The XL, Nov 21, 2012
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    I'd prefer that to the disgusting pandering to Latinos that is sure to come from the GOP as a result of this election.
     
    Brewskier, Nov 21, 2012
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    a year ago I would have voted for him but not now.Have you forgotten that he has gone over to the dark side and endorced Romney for the nomination over his father? He is a sellout to not only Ron but the american people as well. He is not for us.He is playing both sides of the fence.I liked Rand until this fraud came out and said that americans over 64 shouldnt recieve any retirement plan.He has been corrupted by the washington elite so no way would i ever vote for this sellout fraud.

    but yeah it would not do any good anyways,whomever the establishment wants in,thats who they make sure gets elected.our votes dont count.I would vote for gary Johnson but again it wont do no good,they will just sabotoge his campaine like they did with ron paul.
     
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    thats why I cant possibly understand why anybody here would endorce him now.He is a sellout to his father.Looks like the establishment got to him.
     
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    me and you both brother.Gary Johnson si the one every Ron Paul supporter should turn to now.Not that it will do any good since the establishment will just sabotoge his campaine like they did with Ron.
     
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    He already is a massive turncoat to the liberty movement putting his support behind Romney.He is a traiter to the american people.Get behind Gary Johnson.
     
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    I haven't, but I'm starting to think he's a "sleeper". He acts all Republican-y, but then when he's stuck in front of the TSA or arguing with Krugman he starts to sound like a Paul again.
     
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    I haven't, but I'm starting to think he's a "sleeper". He acts all Republican-y, but then when he's stuck in front of the TSA or arguing with Krugman he starts to sound like a Paul again.
     
    Zosiasmom, Nov 21, 2012
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    Yes, but not all libertarians believe in deregulating everything. Many, like Rand Paul, believe in sensible regulations.

    The tax cuts won't be so bad if we also cut spending across the bored. Personally, I agree with you. Now is not the time to cut taxes. I also agree with him though, that you can't overtax people.

    Which law are you referring to?

    I'm sure we probably agree on many reasons why the GOP lost.
     
    The Real American Thinker, Nov 21, 2012
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    Presidential assassinations are passé.
     
    The Real American Thinker, Nov 21, 2012
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    Who said anything about assassinations?
     
    Brewskier, Nov 21, 2012
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    Absolutely untrue. I voted for Jill Stein, of the Green Party. There are several Republicans I would have happily and proudly voted for against Obama. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Jon Huntsman, etc.
     
    The Real American Thinker, Nov 21, 2012
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    Dying in office outside of assassinations won't happen.
     
    The Real American Thinker, Nov 21, 2012
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    Why would a self-described socialist vote for a Republican? Makes no sense.
     
    Brewskier, Nov 21, 2012
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    We've had 44 Presidents so far. 4 of them died of natural causes while in office. 4 were assassinaed. So, I really don't see how you can make the claim that "dying in office outside of assassinations won't happen" when, historically speaking, a President is as equally likely to die from natural causes as they are from assassinations.
     
    Brewskier, Nov 21, 2012
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