How a Cover-Up Works

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Dang that sounds like competition with the gubbermint peddling their war doesnt it.

    Of course those with military fire power always get THEIR MOVEMENT somewhere aint that right!
     
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    LoL are you insinuating that the reason people tend to believe the NIST's technical break down, up to the point of global collapse, is because they have confronted the truth movement using military fire power? Please tell me this is what you are saying, because the government actively ignores the truth movement. I keep telling you guys that, your movement is not a threat to anything at all. It has nothing to do with the "jews", the media, or the government. The reason the truth movement has gone no where is because you're theory is based on nothing but conjecture and lies.

    Houston, you calling me a Jew is the funniest thing I have ever heard. The only reason we come here is the same reason you guys come here. To post information supporting ones beliefs in the events that transpired on 9/11/01. I am not Jewish though, I wish I was. Maybe I'd be a bit better with my money instead of spending it on video games, cars and schooling.
     
  3. holston

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    What do you know about it?
    Oh but I have.
    I'm just tired of the "anti-semitism" shtick. It's hackneyed. Even some of your fellow Jews will tell you that. If you continue to use it on every occasion even the dumbest goyim will stop running from it once it ceases to be a popular way of destroying who don't believe they exist to serve the Jews.

    But while I'm on it, I will say that 9/11 and "anti-semitism" are two separate but related issues.

    They are separate in the sense that whoever was responsible for 9/11 is still guilty, regardless. Being a Jew is no more of an excuse for being a criminal than being black is, even less so.

    It's related in so far as there were Zionist so called Jews involved in it.
    The evidence that they were is abundant. You are dishonest in denying it to say the least.


    Some of those who were on the original list were found to be alive. You can lie about this if you want to. I know better and so does anyone else who has looked into to, including you.

    YOU proved NOTHING. If anyone "proved" anything it was Millete. But all Millete did was "prove" that he found no thermite in HIS SAMPLE.

    Thermitic material was found in approximately 6% of the dust. That makes sense since a larger portion of the dust must consists of other things, like pulverized concrete, particles of burned items, spackle, and even
    spalled paint!

    But the presence of samples of paint or primer in no way disproves or necessarily excludes the presence of thermitic material.

    When villains decide to murder someone, they will most likely try to choose a method which is the least likely to be detected. Murders committed in this way may escape the notice of coroners who are not suspicious of the circumstances.
    Not all such crimes get solved.

    Criminals may decide that because certain cases of theft or murder apparently escape justice that there is none. These people are more likely to believe that they can get away with a crime if only they are careful enough to cover their tracks.

    One can examine the history of organized crime and their methodology to learn the ways in which they operate. Threats, bribing witnesses, extortion, falsifying evidence, lying,etc are all known to have occurred. For you to say that none of these methods could have been employed in the case of 9/11 flies in the face of reality.

    It is a convenient fact that the elements aluminum and iron are both major components of both steel buildings, paint, AND thermitic material. They were BEFORE 9/11 and they still are. So it is easy to dismiss any of these elements by attributing them to building materials.

    That would be the case except for a few unexplained phenomena. One is the fact that microscopic iron rich beads were produced upon ignition of the samples which Jones and Harrit examined. The amounts of heat given off during ignition were consistent with what would be expected from some form of thermitic material.

    The presence of intergranulated sulfur in partially melted samples of steel was another one.

    There was a tremendous amount of rubble to be disposed of. Despite the fast and furious efforts of certain officials ordering the clean up, a few samples remained which are very VERY incriminating.

    You've seen some of the pictures of the steel columns yourself; huge beams twisted like pretzels yet with no cracks in them, thick slabs of steel reduced to slivers sharp enough to slice a tomato on, signs of tremendous amounts of heat etc.

    There is also the testimony of many people, many of them professional, including clean up workers who all bear witness to some type of molten metal "flowing down the channel rails", and huge steel columns glowing red hot whose ends ignited upon contact with the air, satellite infrared photos which showed very high temperatures, etc etc.

    All of these you simply deny. What can be said for you? Are you telling people that they cannot believe their own eyes?
    Are you telling them that only Prince Lutz Alot has the authority to make a correct interpretation of what ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE attest to with their own eyes and ears.

    Yes that's just what you are doing. It's a classic case of pissing on peoples legs and then telling them it's raining. You just run around hiking your leg up every time someone tries to show all this evidence to people who may not have seen it or who may be afraid to admit to themselves what this evidence means because they are afraid of being called names by people like you.

    I for one am not that easily dissuaded from trust in my own judgement. If anyone wanted to change my opinion about anything, the approach least likely to cause this is to attempt to twist my arm.
    Any disinformation agent worth his biscuits should know better.

    I'm beginning to wonder if you aren't actually working for the "Truther" side of this issue and are just trying to get people fired up enough to sound off about it.

    Well good for you! So am I!

    We make an excellent team. You show them how disingenuous De Bunkos can be and I'll show them all the evidence they need; sort of a "good cop, bad cop" scenario.

    But you are so wrong. Thermite can cut steel and everyone knows it. The microscopic platelets in the micrographs sure look nano to me.

    We must account for a variety of processes. Seldom if ever does any reaction go to completion.
    There are many varieties of thermite I am told. In the case where thermite or thermate would be used industrially or militarily one could safely assume that no attempt to disguise the reaction would be made.

    In the case of this criminal enterprise it is CERTAIN that EVERY METHOD of DISGUISING the process would be employed.
    This might well include the introduction of elements which would tend to mislead. In any case, the object here would be to mislead and cover up. Surely you won't disagree with this proposition. Or do you think that the workers who planted the material left signs posted outside saying "Caution. Explosive and Incendiary Products in Use. Secret Project. KEEP OUT!"

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    Stop twisting the truth. There is a protocol for the investigation of a crime scene anytime there is reason to suspect the use of explosives or incendiaries.

    This is not just a protocol, it is the law. LAWS were broken by people in high places giving orders to the people below them whose livelihoods they depended on. Destruction of evidence was one law that was broken.

    The list of suspicious coincidences and unusual anomalies surrounding 9/11 does indeed go on and on.

    There are so many that one can not possibly attribute them all to chance without making common sense violations of the law of probabilities.

    There are so many indicators that people in strategic positions within the government and elsewhere were deliberately covering up, that they could not possibly be trusted to lead an impartial investigation.

    I hate to break it to you, but if it is true that people like Harrit and Jones can be accused of forging evidence and producing false reports then so can the people who are employed by those who have a vested interest in seeing that the number of people learning the truth at once never reaches a critical mass.


    Thanks for helping to keep this spirit alive.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

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    I come here because I want bonafide explanations and all I get is koolaide from you people.

    To hold your belief you must claim jet fuel did this:

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    and this:

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    and this:

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    Now we wait for you to produce your test results that demonstrates how jet fuel did it.

    All NIST did was guess and produce it as fact.

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    now fill in that gaping void.
     
  5. holston

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    I gave you a link to a lengthy interview with Dr Sabrosky in which this subject of "anti-semitic" pogroms was included.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/03/19/22329/
    [video=youtube;lGYNg6abWIc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lGYNg6abWIc[/video]

    Dr Sabrosky has Jewish relatives himself. But that has not stopped him from speaking what he believe to be true.

    Evidently he is unafraid of any such reprisals being taken against Jews in general.

    But if Jews in general do not trust the community of white gentile men then I don't know why white gentile men should be able to trust the community of Jews.

    I have no intentions of ever lashing out at anyone for no reason at all.

    The reasons that I might would be consistent with self defense.

    I cannot allow the irrational fear of "Jews" stop me from speaking the truth. I am certainly not going to allow the avarice of others of them to stop me either.

    If people in this country want a decent place to live, they are going to have to take it upon themselves to fight criminal enterprises and injustice by whatever means available.

    If one waits until an extortion mob moves in and takes over the neighborhood then it is too late to do anything about it.

    The noose of tyranny is tightening every day around the necks of TRUE Patriots.

    How dare you call the sons of veterans who died fighting Hitlers regime a bunch of Nazis?

    In the first place there is no law, nor can there ever be, against disliking or even hating someone regardless of what their reasons may be. Some people do not even need a reason to hate. They just enjoy doing evil. Some of them happen to call themselves "Jews".

    Well I am not one of them. How should I identify them?

    But neither do I enjoy seeing the hubris of thieves and murderers on parade.

    This country is going to be no more fit than the moral fiber that runs through the general population.
    When the people become unprincipled they can not expect to have a government that is.

    Noone needs to worry about what I might do.

    I have no intentions of doing anything which I feel might jeopardize my eternal soul. As far as I am concerned that is all I have. That is not to say that I may never be provoked into socking someone in the nose that needs a lesson in etiquette.

    Now here is the letter that was supplied in response to Millette's alleged debunking of Jones et al.

    http://911blogger.com/news/2012-09-08/letter-regarding-redgray-chip-analyses
     
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    You constantly talk about it. Every issue is the fault of the Jews according to you.

    No. You haven't. I've pointed out numerous lies. You still run from addressing the lies.

    Numerous people here believe you are anti-semitic because of what you write. Like claiming cities are "infested" by Jews. You can whine all you want, but your own writing proves beyond any doubt you are anti-semitic right up there with skinheads, Nazis and other hate groups.

    I only use it when you write anti-semitic bull(*)(*)(*)(*). If you were to stop writing anti-semitic bull(*)(*)(*)(*), I would have no reason to claim your posts are anti-semitic bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    There isn't a reader here that doesn't understand you blame 9/11 and all the other world problems on the Jews.

    Right. ALL the evidence points to Al Qaeda. None of the evidence points to the Jews. Your paranoid delusions and persecution complexes do not constitute proof.

    Yet you routinely pretend it is a crime for just being a Jew. I refer you to your numerous posts where you list people who are Jewish, make blanket claims against them you can't prove, and run away from the evidence your claims are nothing but festering piles of (*)(*)(*)(*). If one were to do the same thing with black people, Mexicans, Asians or any other culture, they would be called racist and rightly so. Why is it you think you are the exception?

    Yet you don't differentiate. Anti-semitics rarely do. They mix zionist and Jew because to them they are both negative words. Even Martin Luther King Jr wasn't fooled by anti-semitics trying to pretend people who use the word zionist weren't talking about all Jews.

    Wrong. Your paranoid delusions and persecution complexes are NOT evidence. The evidence against Al Qaeda is abundant. I can point out hundreds of pieces of evidence, not to mention numerous confessions by several members of Al Qaeda that proves this was all done by Al Qaeda. You can't come up with a single piece of evidence that would hold up in a court of law.

    Wrong. Completely and totally wrong. The FBI released the names of the hijackers came out before the pictures. The ONLY time people said they were the "hijackers" the FBI was talking about was was before the pictures came out. Not ONE STORY has come out since the pictures were released of a hijacker claiming to be alive. Why? The pictures don't match the people who thought the FBI was talking about them. THIS has been proven time and time again. If you had any evidence whatsoever that I was wrong, you would have posted it instead of just making yet another bull(*)(*)(*)(*) lie to add to all your other lies.

    I presented Millete's findings as proof, thus I proved to you and others here that no thermite was found. If thermite were as pervasive as you and the other truthtards claim, the thermite would have been found in the samples. Not only that, but Harrit and Jones detailed very specifically how they found the "thermitic material". Millete was able to find the exact same material from Harrit and Jones' descriptions, yet could not find thermite, much less any other kind of thermitic material.

    And Millete found the same material Harrit and Jones found right down to the spectroscopic signature. BTW, they didn't find "thermitic material" in 6%. What they found was the red and gray chips which, after much manipulation and refining, they were able to ignite. It wasn't thermite. They didn't know what it was. The fact that they had to refine the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the chips to get anything to ignite means that it couldn't have ignited while it was a chip, thus proving my point once again; thermitic material relies on the material being in contact with itself in order to propagate the reaction. This is true of thermite and any other thermitic material. Putting thermite in paint renders thermite completely inert.

    Yes it does since Harrit and Jones had to refine the paint / primer chips to get to their thermitic material. There was no other source of thermitic material in the samples they had. These same paint/primer chips were found in abundance in Millete's sample. He positively identified these chips were the same through numerous tests that Harrit and Jones had done to identify the chips.

    BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Flying planes into buildings is considered the least likely method to be detected?!?!?!? BULL(*)(*)(*)(*)!!!! You pretending they would fly planes into buildings and then go to great pains to hide how they collapsed the buildings is absolutely RETARDED! ESPECIALLY since even if you could get thermitic paint to ignite, there isn't enough thermite there to do more than warm up steel. It takes TONS of thermite in ONE AREA to cut through each steel column like in the towers, not a couple ounces mixed in paint and spread out over the surface of the steel.

    So let's get this straight. The Jews crashed planes into buildings and started massive office fires as a distraction for collapsing three towers when they couldn't even guarantee the third tower (WTC 7) being hit. They did it by painting columns with thermitic paint nobody would test for. OK.... so what is this thermitic paint suppose to do to the steel? Melt it? Cut it? No matter what you would have massive amounts of steel that was deformed by the process, yet nobody saw anything. Before you go off with the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) about everything was sent to China before it was inspected, they still have a lot of the steel and it was all inspected before being sent off.

    Is that your excuse as to why nobody has discovered what you claim to have "discovered", but can't even come close to proving? :lol:

    More excuses. Zero evidence.
     
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    They COULD have been. Yet you ignore the obvious. Mobsters routinely got sent to prison for their crimes because they were easily discovered. Even with all their threats, bribing and extortion, people stepped up to tell the truth. Yet you want everyone to ignore the fact people WILL talk about henious crimes when you try to explain how thousands to tens of thousands of people involved in what you claimed happened on 9/11 have been perfectly silent for over eleven years now.

    It is a far less convenient fact for the idiots pretending thermite was used that the telltale signs of thermite being used were never found. You would find VERY large pools of pure iron lying around. None were ever found. The closest truthtards ever came was a picture of a lump of "stuff" that was compressed into many layers by the huge forces involved in the collapse.

    ANY amount of heat given off by a reaction makes it thermitic material. That is the very definition of thermitic material. The other problem is that if it were thermite, the beads would have been PURE iron, not iron rich. The third problem is all the refining Harrit and Jones had to do before they could even get a reaction to start. Of course, the reaction started at the wrong temperature and produced the wrong amount of heat for thermite, but that hasn't stopped you from pretending they found thermite!

    The sulfidated steel found was not due to a thermitic reaction and was not tested by Harrit and Jones. It is a rare phenomenon in fires, but did nothing to initiate or propagate the collapse.

    Yet you can't produce them. :lol:

    Pressures can do the same thing. Considering the towers weighed around 500,000 tons each, that is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ton of pressure. Funny how you ignore that. Do you honestly think all the steel should have remained straight and undamaged?!?

    And? That proves nothing INCLUDING thermite. A thermitic reaction lasts MINUTES and cools rapidly. High explosives don't produce much heat at all. The fact there were still subterranian fires burning below the surface of the rubble is well known and they burned for weeks.

    There you go with the lies again. I don't deny there was red hot metal. I do not deny there was twisted steel. I do not deny there was high temperatures weeks after the collapse. What I deny is your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) retarded conclusions.

    Why is it none of these experts believe you? Have you stopped to think about that? Not one of the people who was actually at ground zero after the collapse and witnessed what you've talked about above is a truther. You've presented a couple truthers who've massively changed their stories who were in the towers at the time of the impact, yet you've failed to address any of the huge holes in their claims. Doesn't stop you from presenting them over and over again as credible though. Who's credibility do you think that hurts? Here's a hint. It isn't mine!

    If that were true, you would have no problem at all actually presenting evidence I am wrong like I do proving you are wrong.

    I don't twist your arm. I just expose the fact your posts are nothing but lies and full of anti-semitic bigoted bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Yet another claim you nor any other truther who has made that claim has been able to even come close to proving. It is a sure sign that your theories are bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and you KNOW they are bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You need an excuse as to why you got your ass kicked so thoroughly, so you pretend I and others are in on the conspiracy. :lol: Doesn't change anything though.

    Well, you've been demonstrably wrong about everything else, so one more thing you're wrong about shouldn't surprise anyone.

    Yeah. Let's see how many people believe your new claim I am actually a truther. :lol: This ought to be good!

    Priceless!

    I've never said thermite can't cut steel. Thermite in PAINT can't even ignite, much less cause anything other than a slightly elevated temperature. You need two things for thermite to cut steel. You need a LOT of thermite concentrated in a small area since the way thermite cuts is by superheating the steel in a very small area to the melting point. As for something looking "nano" to you, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You wouldn't know what you are looking at even if someone told you! Nano simply means small. Want to know why nano thermite works better? The particles are smaller and thus can be closer together JUST AS I HAVE BEEN CLAIMING. Mix the pieces in paint and now you have all kinds of (*)(*)(*)(*) in between the particles. Now NO reaction is possible.

    Yet you've failed miserably to account for ANY process.

    Thermite is generally used for cheap welds or for disabling equipment. It is never used in controlled demolition for numerous reasons. They use high explosives because the reactions are very well controlled, can be measured down to the millisecond, can reliably cut through steel, and doesn't take very much to do the job. Thermite is not used because ignition cannot be guaranteed, it works in minutes, not milliseconds, can only cut down, doesn't reliably cut through anything, and requires tons per cut, not ounces.

    One first has to buy into your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that there was a criminal element other than Al Qaeda involved. You putting the cart before the horse only shows you don't understand how an investigation works.

    So how does one hide tons and tons of thermite per floor? Put flowers in the thermite and hope nobody notices?

    I am not twisting the truth. I am using your own claims against you. There is ZERO LEGAL PROTOCOL for the NIST to follow in regards to testing for explosives. If there was, you would have posted it instead of just lying again.

    So produce the law the NIST broke. It is your claim. Surely you can back up your own claim, right?

    To the delusionally paranoid and people suffering from persecution complexes, suspicions never end. Ever. For anything.

    One does not accuse others based on possibilities. One accuses others based on evidence. That is what truthers still cannot wrap their tiny little brains around.

    See above about paranoid delusions and persecution complexes.

    The problem still revolves around evidence. It was proven Harrit and Jones used bogus science to make a bogus claim. You can't say the same about anything else. That is what sticks in your craw.

    No problem. I have no problem at all exposing truther bull(*)(*)(*)(*) for what it is.
     
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    Prince Lutz Alot say:


    And that's about it. Otherwise it might merit an answer.

    So how about directing your comments to the Sabrosky interview?

    Are you calling ME a LIAR for what HE said? Have you listened to what HE said?

    Are you going to call HIM an "anti-semite" too?

    Are you going to pretend that you know more about Israels meddling in US affairs than Sabrosky or to be more knowledgeable about how they managed it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkhMwID-IYQ
    [video=youtube;qkhMwID-IYQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkhMwID-IYQ[/video]

    Unidentified vans were seen coming and going during the very early hours of the morning when no activity should have been occurring in the WTC buildings.

    There were Israelis stopped in a vans that had detectable signs that explosives were in them. One of these vans contained tons of explosives. Another blew up.

    The men inside these vans were determined to be Mossad agents. That's not to mention the dancing Israelis who had there cameras set up to "document the event".

    After "high level negotiations" these SPIES, these FOREIGN AGENTS, caught running around with EXPLOSIVES, on the day of the worst mass murder in US history, in the vicinity, were simply RELEASED on immigration violations.

    How do you explain that?

    Easy. Sayinim in the US government and intelligence agencies and the Israel lobby.

    There was a time when I considered Israel an allie.
    There was a time that I respected the "Jews" because of the Old Testament connection to the new, out of respect for "God's people" so to speak. Like so many I was very ignorant of both.

    Those times have passed. I have learned very much since then. I cannot ignore this knowledge to pacify the Zionists.

    I also was a Bush supporter. I believed in what we were being told.

    But I have learned a lot since then.

    I learned that we were lied to. There were no weapons of mass destruction. W Bush has joked about this. Dick Chaney also joked about his relation to the Council on Foreign Relations. I don't share their sense of humor.

    They LIED when they said they could not have imagined such an attack. They LIE when they say they had no advance knowledge of it. It is a FACT that they LIED. And this is public knowledge. The FACT that they LIED alone is enough to make one suspect that they aided and abetted this monumental crime.


    When I encounter someone like you, Prince Lutz Alot, I am embarrassed to admit that I, like so many others have been guilty of gullibility in the first degree. You "Jews" have really made PUTZES of a lot of people, myself included.

    But thanks for reassuring me that your disingenuity is not a product of my imagination and that my contempt for the likes of you is not misplaced.

    The more you talk, the more credence you lend to all the "Skinheads" and "Nazis" you keep bringing up.
    I admit that you make it difficult to remain open minded about the so called "Jews" and continue to allowing them the benefit of a doubt. But I've been assailed by the servants of the devil all my life so this is nothing new.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA

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    Some day justice will be served, if not in this life then in the next. And may God have mercy on your souls.

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    There are photos of these cut columns that were made BEFORE any clean up process began. The photo pictured here is explained away by De Bunkos as being made by clean up workers. I know that similar pictures were taken which were made PRIOR to clean up. So what are FIREMEN doing standing around on the clean up scene at a time after a clean up crew would have had time to be called in and do this kind of work, even before the bodies had been searched for?

    We KNOW the Zionists were behind this attack. Whether they used Arab dupes for patsies is beside the point.

    What they have demonstrated is that they are willing to sacrifice as many Goyim as it takes to secure total Jewish hegemony in the world. So how can I or anyone else respond to this knowledge and not be accused of "anti-semitism"?

    I say that for the benefit of those who consider themselves of Jewish lineage of some sort and to those who have no desire to harm innocent people, or even to accuse them.
     
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    Nice response, holston. Thanks for proving once again you can't respond to your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) getting ripped apart.
     
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    Perhaps holston missed the name of the complex......the 'WORLD TRADE' center...business was going on 24 hours a day
     
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    Do you mean that the buildings were open all night long like a convenience store and people could come and go as they pleased anytime of day or night?

    If so, all that means is that there was more access time without arousing suspicion.

    The vans which were seen arriving "after hours" and leaving before the banker hour people arrived in the morning were never seen before then or since. That's rather suspicious wouldn't you say? No you wouldn't, because it wouldn't matter if they were caught red handed you'd still deny, deny, deny.

    How many times have I seen convicted criminals do the same thing as if someone who would commit murder wouldn't lie about it. We are talking about people who have no conscience. Do you?

    You just have to know who to trust. And Zionists can't be trusted for anything. That isn't to say they aren't dependable. You can always depend on them to do everything based on whether "it's good for the Jews". You can take that to one of the banks they run.

    Everyone should listen to Lindauers presentation if they haven't heard her before; and even if they have because this round I learned a couple of things that I hadn't heard before.

    It's an hour well spent for anyone who cares to know the truth about this new centuries "Pearl Harbor". It happened in your lifetime folks. You wouldn't miss seeing the moon landing would you, or watching WWII unfold before your eyes would you? So be a responsible patriot to the US, not to Israel or greater Zionism. Learn the truth and spread the word.

    Prince Lutz Alot, I'm amazed at how you still have the gall to show up considering how many times you have been proven to be a liar and shredded on every point. This shamelessness is a rather common characteristic among De Bunkos. I suppose it's the Jew shinin' through. :lol:

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    Holston is too obtuse to be believed....no one came and went as they pleased...there WAS building security
     
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    It confirms many of my suspicions of truthers that they've never actually held a decent job in the real world. I've been to the WTC before it was destroyed. I've been to lots of secure buildings. They know who comes and goes. All the offices not in use are locked up tight. Cameras record everything. Holston is not the first truther to actually believe people were free to come and go as they please. He is also not the first one to claim ignorant claims like unknown vans were coming and going. :lol: It is all they have left. Baseless claims they can't prove yet still don't prove some 9/11 conspiracy. Some day maybe they will grow up and realize the world deals with evidence, not the paranoid delusions of those with an agenda.
     
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    Al contrare. The incriminating evidence against Israel and US Zionists is overwhelming.


    I can make this all very simple for you.

    Israel was the key player in the attacks of 9/11. They helped the Arabs commit the deed.

    They did it to drag the US into the wars going on in the mid-east.
    It had the bonus of getting rid of the outdated WTC towers and making a tidy profit for some of the Zionist gangsters.

    Additionally, the only duplicate set of records for the roughly 3 trillion dollars that went missing were destroyed in building 7.
    The other set was in the wing of the Pentagon along with the accountants looking into them.

    Isn't that an interesting coinkydink?




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    You guys are the lamest Bunkos I've dealt with heretofore. At least the others tried to create some semblance of actual debate.

    Let's play a little game.

    You keep trying to cover all the 9/11 stink and I'll keep digging it up until everyone gets a good whiff. I'll make you earn those biscuits Fido.
     
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    1/2 inch drywall will burn, it is typically rated at a 30 minute burn time at 1200 degrees F. The paper holding the gypsum will burn and the interior will turn to.........well....dust. Temperatures in the rubble of the towers after their fall was measured to be 1292 degrees. F. For perspective, a candle will burn at about 1800 degrees. F. Jet fuel flashes at about 122 degrees F.

    This means that it is entirely possible for a jet to crash into a building and start an immediate fire that can reach temperatures high enough to significantly shorten drywall burn time and turn drywall into dust while constantly feeding the oxidation of more flammable materials that burn much hotter than even a candle.

    Example you can do.....If you have a fireplace, etc. Put in some crumpled up paper, then 'kindling' (small pieces of wood that will flash faster than a log). Once you apply a candle, match etc. to the paper it will immediately start to oxidize (burn). That 'flash' fire will almost immediately start your kindling to oxidize. If you put a larger log on top the kindling the already burning fire will be able to engulf that log in flames.

    Now...(but don't try this at home) Imagine of you put the paper, kindling and log into your fireplace then threw a Molotov cocktail into it. WHOOSH! That is what happened to the Towers on 9/11. The 'paper' 'kindling' and 'log' are represented in the drywall, furniture and any other flammable materials already present in the building.
     
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    Yet you can't actually produce a single shred of it that isn't opinion or an outright lie. Hmmm. What does that tell you.

    Yes because Israel and the Arabs always work hand in hand, right? Lots of love there!

    Yet you've been shown they lost money. You couldn't refute it, so you just keep on lying in the hopes nobody notices you are perpetuating known lies.

    Complete and total bull(*)(*)(*)(*). First off, no three trillion dollars went missing. Second, military records were never kept at WTC 7. Your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) claims are getting more and more ridiculous with every iteration!

    More bull(*)(*)(*)(*) from you. Care to back up ANY of your bull(*)(*)(*)(*)? Surely you're not expecting everyone to just trust a known, proven liar such as yourself!

    That you have to keep making bull(*)(*)(*)(*) up to make your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) seem plausible? Yes, it is interesting. Not convincing at all, but interesting. What's next? Are you going to try and convince everyone that Jesus Christ was scheduled to show up in the towers and the Jews couldn't have that so they blew them up? Wouldn't be the most ridiculous claim you've made.

    We've been responding to every one of your points. You run from the points and just repost the same tired old lies.

    It is all you do, so go ahead.

    All you have left is petty insults and bull(*)(*)(*)(*) claims. Sad. Very very sad.
     
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    "Decent" jobs like the ones that Jews get? Not indecent jobs like the manual labor and grunge work fit only for a Goy?

    Security like the security at the Pentagon?

    Or security like the airspace covered by Norad on 9/11?

    Secure as Giulliani's bunker that he abandoned?

    Cameras like the ones that were shut down during one of the "black out" "repair, renovation" tests that were conducted in the days and weeks leading up to 9/11.

    Cameras like the ones that filmed the "plane" crashing into it?

    Or cameras like the ones that Giulliani banned from taking pictures of the rubble?

    Maybe cameras like the spy cameras that are all over the place now?

    You don't suppose anyone was in charge of all those cameras do you?

    I wonder who that might be?


    Sort of reminds you of East Berlin doesn't it? Especially now, what with the NDAA and Israel controlling all the trunks in the phone companies switching routes. They don't even have to go to your home now to bug you do they? Much less have to climb a telephone pole.

    Did you know the "Patriot" act was modeled after the one they used in the Soviet Union? ( only it's not written in Russian, Maybe Yiddish or Hebrew but not Russian).


    Did I say I thought everyone was free to come and go as they please? I don't think so. I believe I asked if that's what you thought?

    No. I would contend that no one was free to come and go as they please, especially in the areas that were secured and off limits except to the "repairmen" and "remodelers".


    I didn't know that the WTC had a grave yard shift. I guess they do now, yuk yuk. Right Prince Lutz Alot yuk?


    Paranoid delusions you say?

    You mean like when Jews think there's a Nazi hiding behind every bush?

    Or do you mean like when they call anything you say "anti-semitic"? Paranoid like that, huh? Or just delusional?

    I can't think of anyone with "an agenda". It wouldn't be the folks who conjured up PNAC would it?

    There calling it something else now I believe although I can't remember what. Those guys change the names of things faster than HMOs change the name of their insurance. I don't know why they do that. It just confuses people and makes it harder to track them down.


    The Israelis. Now there's a bunch that most certainly does not have an agenda. You might call them "agendaless".
     
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    I love watching anti-semites prove their paranoid delusions go so far as to include extreme jealousy over Jews even though it isn't even true. I have a very good job. Some day, God willing, you will have a job too.

    Nope. Nothing that severe.

    The airspace covered by NORAD (more specifically NEADS) was airspace OUTSIDE the US. Inside the US it was all covered by the FAA. Learn the facts before making such a major fool of yourself.

    Planes were hitting the buildings around WTC 7. Only you would see something nefarious about abandoning a building when there is a terrorist attack in the immediate area.

    More unsubstantiated bull(*)(*)(*)(*) from you.

    See above.

    See above.

    See above.

    No doubt you will blame the Jews and the "Jewish controlled media". :lol:

    Gee. The mind boggles.

    See above.

    See above.


    So. If people were not free to come and go as they please, then there would be a record of tons of extra workers coming in after hours and breaking in to all the floors while carting up ton after ton of thermite.

    Tasteless joke and personal insult. Not worthy of a response.

    Well, what do you call it when some jack ass makes up a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*) based on his overwhelming fear of Jews hiding behind every evil deed?

    Never seen one of those. I can show you plenty of examples of you seeing Jews behind every evil deed though.

    No, that is simple ignorance. If you make anti-semitic remarks, you shouldn't be surprised when people call you an anti-semite. Simple logic, yet it escapes you.

    They had an agenda, sure. As for your agenda, you can deny it all you want, but since you repeat it over and over again, I doubt anyone doesn't understand your agenda.

    Careful or they might call it stormfront or Nazi central. Then you won't know WHAT to think!

    Really? Wow. As usual, you're wrong. Anyone surprised? Not me.

    Did your rant have an actual point?
     
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    Then what's all the fuss about?

    http://wtc7.net/buildingfires.html

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    It seems a lot of people were puzzled why all three of these steel framed skyscrapers fell due to fire when it had never happened before.


    I guess they picked some real bone heads to design the WTC buildings.

    And then they picked some more bone heads to refurbish the "fire protection" on several floors.

    Maybe they just weren't concerned enough about fire safety in the WTC buildings after the fire that spread over three or four floors which occurred earlier didn't destroy everything. You'd think that these people would learn. I guess that just goes to show who gets all the top positions like the ones who were in charge of fire safety and all the intelligence agencies in the US that couldn't spot a bunch of highly motivated radical Islamites who were so burned up with hate that 19 of them managed to find each other just so they could all go commit suicide on the same day.

    You'd think that a person with a chip on their shoulder that colossal would be easier to spot, especially by our highly trained and competent intelligence fellows. And to beat it all these same clowns slipped right under the watchful noses of all those Mossad agents caught running around in the US right after 9/11, who as they said, "come from a country that is used to terrorist attacks".

    These Jew boys are supposed to be the smartest people in the world aren't they? After all, G-D Himself installed their brains. And everyone knows they have a nose for sniffing out "terrorists". And they know how to deal with them too! Just look at how they wrack 'em up in Palestine!

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    You really need to set these guys straight and help them get their "facts" straight.


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    That is how you get to the truth.

    Unlike organized criminals who could give a rats ass about truth: "Dats my story and I'm stickin to it".
     
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    Really? They pay Hasbarats that much?!

    You mean of course, so severely lacking that anyone could hijack a plane, fly it around for a couple of hours while three others were hijacked, two of which striking the WTCs and the other one being shot down, and then crash the hijacked plane into the Pentagon with Rumsfeld sitting in it, an air force base within a stones throw, and not catch any flack along the way.
    It would be an ideal place to break into considering that they don't have any surveillance cameras there.

    Well. maybe they do now since they've "learned" that people can fly planes into them, even people who don't know how to fly planes! Or maybe not, considering the level of "incompetence" in the US intelligence and at NORAD.

    As far as I know all the ones in charge that day got promoted. Only the people who were warning about terrorists roaming around and a possible attack were the ones who got busted! Now that carries the word "incompetence" to a whole new level! Out f'n' standing Private!





    Oh I'm sorry. I thought the airspace over the US was US airspace. That IS what NORAD was supposed to be protecting wasn't it? Silly me. ISRAELI. I keep forgetting.


    Particularly when the evacuation was conducted BEFORE any buildings fell down. Someone must have had a crystal ball.

    But why should their premature alarm surprise me? I guess since W Bush sat on his Duffet reading Little Miss Tuffet while Rome was being besieged and the Secret Service (who had no idea there could be any danger) stood around outside in the halls pitching pennies or smoking in the boy's room.




    [​IMG] [​IMG] Totally substantiated.

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wtc+power+down&view=detail&mid=A0C499C6A4985A593219A0C499C6A4985A593219&first=0&qpvt=wtc+power+down

    "complete breakdown of security that weekend"

    "no intrusion alarms"

    Oh. But you are saying that there is no way that the proprietors could arrange to turn the cameras off.

    I guess this insurmountable problem conclusively proves that a 9/11 plot could not be possible.

    This poses a terrible problem for the "Twoofers". I sure can't figure this one out. I give up. You win.
    You're right. The Jewish media has no control over cameras at all.


    Don't let it worry you. Lots of people are ADD this days. Nothing a little Ritalin couldn't cure.





    Really? I didn't know you kept records on the WTC buildings. Well bust my britches.

    I just had to laugh. Yuk. You don't mind too much do you. Yuk. I mean, you've been Yuk laughing since Yuk your first Yuk post Yuk. The first time I crack a joke Yuk, you get all serious on me. Yuk.


    The same thing you ought to call it every time some jackass calls someone an anti-semite for saying the obvious about the WTC buildings, namely that they fell down as pristine as any controlled demolition ever has just because some Jew is afraid there's a Nazi lurking somewhere behind every "Twoofer".

    For a bunch that talks about Nazis and has accused half the population of the US and the combined populations of Gemany and every nation surrounding Israel "anti-semites" , you could have fooled me. Especially since all those people the Jews say are trying to "wipe them off the map" are practically all semites!

    But I'm NOT surprised. What would REALLY be a surprise is if anyone could discuss the false flag 9/11 conspiracy and NOT be called an anti-semite!

    I admit that it's less surprising here than in every other instance where someone happens to look at a Jew crooked.


    Tell us about the PNAC agenda. Use material from the PNAC documents themselves to support your thesis.

    We all want to hear how these elitist Jews were planning on creating a world of equality and prosperity overflowing with brotherly love and compassion for all.


    It sure would make it hard for the Doctor's receptionist to locate the source of payment. Then she'd have to charge me up front and that would weigh heavy on Dr Heimy's heart.



    Did I mention that the Arabs were duped into being Patsies, that Atta was a trained CIA operative, and that the Mossad knew about the plot and saw to it that the mission was a success so that US blood and treasure could be drained to help move the world closer to having the capital of Zion set up in Jerusalem so that the globalist bankers could have an official headquarters there when they elect their coming Messiah?

    Did I mention that huh? Did I?
     

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