2013 Second Civil War

I haven't posted here in a long time, so here goes.

I have traveled all over the world and have a pretty good idea when it's going to pop off, this is the first time I can ever recall having that feeling here at home.

I believe 2013 will be the year the second civil war begins.

You simply cannot bridge the divide any longer, this President is out right hostile to Americans not on the dole.

I believe the gun issue will push regular law bidding citizens over the edge, once it starts it will take off like wild fire, seen it many times.

I believe this President is a traitor and enemy of the State, he s sworn to obey and protect the Constitution, not just the " parts" he likes.

Law enforcement simply isn't nowhere near large enough to even remotely stop an armed insurrection of millions of people, they will more than likely stay out of be way. The vast majority of the Military will not pick up arms against United States citizens.

For those that think I'm silly and in la la land.....there are 400 million guns and over 100 million gun owners, if you (*)(*)(*)(*) off 1-2% of them.....well you do the math.

 

Its quite possible that the president would not agree with your interpretation of the constitution. so who is right? you or him? Perhaps the SCOTUS should figure it out and we all agree to live by their decision?

 

It's pretty clear what the Second amendment says, no interpretation is needed.

If its difficult for you just read the Federalist papers. The founding fathers were VERY clear about gun rights.

 

Yup, muzzle loading muskets and militias not today's open slather on everything except Tanks & Nukes.

 

I want to be clear here, I am NOT calling for civil war but simply feel it will happen. I talk to a lot of people in middle America and something is brewing...

You trust the Police with weapons you don't have? Interesting since crooked police murder inner city kids all the time. Yet you don't trust law bidding citizens with the same weapons., again, interesting.

Do you think the Government will always be your friend? Because the Founders did not.

 

I did and i find nothing regarding handguns nor assault rifles specifically.

 

A gun is a gun, I do not understand your statement.

 

Muzzle loading muskets are hardly any different than modern handguns and semi-auto assualt rifles in the grand scheme of things. The guns and ammo are just engineered better, are far more reliable, and are more efficient. You don't think the Founding Fathers realized that the technologies of basic arms like these would advance to the point they are now?

 

He's missing the point. The technology doesn't matter.

The second amendment is for citizens to be armed to protect themselves from a rogue Government.

If the Government has " laser" guns so should its citizens. Understand?

 

And just exactly who are going to be on the two sides fighting? Our country is so entertwined now its not possible to have two distinct sides. There also is no issue dividing enough to push the people to the point of revolt. Some possible future attack on the second amendment is not going to be it.

You'd literally have to have the government secret police breaking down doors and confiscating weapons for it to even qualify. We are quite a ways from that however.

 

Do i seriously need to post the Second Amendment, its pretty self explanatory. Its about "guns". You're just being weird.

 

The People vs The Government, i thought that was rather obvious, happens all the time.

 

The second amendment doesn't say that. It specifically was left unclear on whether Congress can regulate firearms. You'll notice it says we have the right to bear arms but not the right to bear any and all arms. Now the founders were very ocd about the language they used, often spending days arguing over the inclusion or exlusion of a single word so if the second amendment left that out then it was done for a reason.

The founders did not intend for us to own any weapons the government does nor does it say we can't. Rather it left it up to Congress and the Supreme Court to work out as our country proceeds along.

 

Never happened in America. What exactly is going to make the people resort to arms instead of just voting the people out they don't like?

 

Numbers.

All of our tanks and fighter jets couldn't beat the Vietcong could it?

 

I can see I'm going to have to post exactly what the founders said about guns, it's pretty obvious but some revisionism being attempted here...gimme a sec

 

If you could push a magic button and cause every gun in the nation to disappear in a puff of pink fairy dust...


We'd still be at the door of a civil war.


The fundemental causes of the upcoming civil war is not guns, or even a disagreement on the political litmus test issues the left or right raves about; abortion, prayer, global warming, etc.


The problem comes down to the Left misusing our well intentioned welfare programs to politically pander for votes, wealth, and power. But in their zeal to win at any cost, they've grown their Rent-A-Mobs too large to be fed by the remaining producers.


Guns or no Guns, America will collapse into civil war because it is a host nation too infected with parasites to survive.


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"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster

"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison

"The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."
- James Madison

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
- Richard Henry Lee

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker

"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
- Thomas Paine

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

" ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton

 

America is a very large country. Tanks are going to be rather pointless except for defense of cities or bases. They wouldn't be driving tanks from house to house.

 

Its NOT about the Guns!


It is about the ability to continue to feed the Rent-A-Mobs.


They're already too numerous for the producers to pay enough in taxes to keep them happy. Sooner or later, our foriegn creditors will cut America off as a bad risk, and then what?


The Mobs won't listen, reason, or accept cut backs, they will riot.


It is too late to make changes that might prevent the collapse, it is coming, it is now about how to position yourself and your loved ones to survive it.


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The framers did not put the second amendment in there because they anticipated the day when the people would have to fight the government. They put it in there as a deterrent to the government from overstepping their bounds. Politicians will be a lot less likely to pass laws that are detrimental when they know there are a lot of angry people with firearms out there.