Joan Rivers under fire for Heidi Klum Holocaust joke

Please stay on topic people, this has been getting pretty loose.

Thank you
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that is a lie.

from a WRMEA article last few para's are the important bits:
http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/IsraelSubs/IsraeliNuclearSubs2.html

"Why did Germany take the political risk of such high-profile exports, in violation of its own restrictions? The immediate media mantras are that it is an offset for guilt from World War II or compensation for the war materiél Germany supposedly delivered to Iraq during the 1980s. These are not convincing. Greater leverage was necessary.

The decision was made by Chancellor Helmut Kohl personally, and it is speculated that he was subject to blackmail over the matter of the covert funds which ultimately cost him his post. The transfer clearly was not in Germanys interest, and may indeed have been approved by the chancellor for the most personal of reasons.

Israel is responsible for wars costing millions of lives? another ridiculous exaggeration.


Genetic Study

Here is the published description of Dr. Elhaiks findings:

http://eelhaik.aravindachakravartilab.org/ArticlesPDFs/MissingLink2012.pdf

Are you serious? debunks the presence of any ethnic jewish population in europe? <<<Mod Edit: Personal Attack Removed>>>

Something that this entire post is predicated on.

Jews are not a race. they are an ethnicity. We've gone over this a gazillion times, and as usual your definition shifts to accomodate the pointless point attempting to be made.

Here's the link to the NYT article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/sunday-review/the-holocaust-just-got-more-shocking.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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"The documented camps include not only &#8220;killing centers&#8221; but also thousands of forced labor camps, where prisoners manufactured war supplies; prisoner-of-war camps; sites euphemistically named &#8220;care&#8221; centers, where pregnant women were forced to have abortions or their babies were killed after birth; and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel."..

.and this......
"The lead editors on the project, Geoffrey Megargee and Martin Dean, estimate that 15 million to 20 million people died or were imprisoned in the sites that they have identified as part of a multivolume encyclopedia. (The Holocaust museum has published the first two, with five more planned by 2025.)"

Other than you, I don't think there are many who could know of such factual distortion on your part.

The jewish genome is not the claimed legal basis for citing biblical rationale.
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No, studies do not show as few as 2% of jews in palestine have any semitic genes. Of course, you wouldn't want a little thing like actual facts to ruin yet another slur.

Oh from the conclusions portion of Dr. Elhaik's paper:

Central and Eastern European Jews differ mostly in their Middle Eastern (30% and 25%, respectively) and Eastern European ancestries (3% and 12%, respectively), probably due to late admixture.

nice try. of course

that is hilarious from a guy that actually thinks Leuchter was a serious scientist.
Yes a wingnut conspriracy that has taken 13 years to compile by professionals with over 400 key sources. and a total of 5 volumes of data, evidence and conclusions.

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Let's end this with the two absolutely amazing whoppers above.

 

Holocaust denial is the act of denying the genocide of Jews in the Holocaust during World War II.[1] The key claims of Holocaust denial are: the German Nazi government had no official policy or intention of exterminating Jews, Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers to mass murder Jews, and the actual number of Jews killed was significantly (typically an order of magnitude) lower than the historically accepted figure of 5 to 6 million.[2][3][4]

Holocaust deniers generally do not accept the term denial as an appropriate description of their activities, and use the term revisionism instead.[5] Scholars use the term "denial" to differentiate Holocaust deniers from historical revisionists, who use established historical methodologies.[6] The methodologies of Holocaust deniers are criticized as based on a predetermined conclusion that ignores extensive historical evidence to the contrary.[7]

Most Holocaust denial claims imply, or openly state, that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples.[8] For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic[9] conspiracy theory.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#cite_note-conspiracy-10

 

Wanna back that accusation up with some evidence?
Who is this person responsible for 10 million deaths and what does his ethnicity have to do with murdering millions?

dare to bleat about the holocaust? dare to ensure that the memory is never lost of the depths of inhuman depravity that man can plunge to? dare to keep the wound raw of an industrialized attempt to exterminate entire ethnicities?

 

Well thats one version ::
." Israel Expands its Nuclear Threat Thanks to German &#8220;donation&#8221; of Dolphin subs&#8221; Robert Stauffer in Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs, Dec 2003
"2005 November on his last day in office, Gerhard Schroeder, head of the outgoing German SDP-Greens government, agreed in principle to sell another two Dolphins to Israel, and contract negotiations are ongoing. It is reported that Germany agreed to pay up to 333 million Euros of an estimated 1000 million cost &#8211; which would bring the German &#8220;donation&#8221; total to over $1000 million. The new subs are expected to be delivered in about 2012, and will use fuel cells instead of diesel-electric propulsion."

Jonso - the facts are ever -elusive , when I want to check facts I go to another Jew .i.e. at Tikun Olam etc.

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In 2008, Angela Merkel, on her first visit to Israel made a remarkable and quite alarming statement:


"Here of all places I want to explicitly stress that every German Government and every German Chancellor before me has shouldered Germany&#8217;s special historical responsibility for Israel&#8217;s security. This historical responsibility is reason of state for my country. For me as German Chancellor, therefore, Israel&#8217;s security will never be open to negotiation."

I have never heard of one country seeing as part of its very existence the responsibility for the security of another. Isn&#8217;t it hard enough to be responsible for one&#8217;s own nation&#8217;s security without also taking responsibility for another&#8217;s? I can certainly understand Germany having a sense of moral responsibility for Israel given the sins of the Holocaust. But to the extent of offering Israel weapons of mass destruction capable of incinerating the Middle East? "

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"As early as the 1980s, Israel began to contemplate use of submarines to provide &#8220;strategic depth,&#8221; a euphemism for second strike capability, or more accurately massive overkill. If any Israeli enemy had the temerity to attack, Israel wanted the certainty that its retaliatory capacity would be preserved, protected and massively lethal. That&#8217;s where German submarines came into play. As early as 1989, Germany approved the first of the Dolphins to Israel. Germany got over its squeamishness about offering Israel a potential weapon of mass destruction by agreeing to finance only the vessel itself, but not the weapons systems.

Who would finance the rest? In 1991, Israel faced weeks of intermittent bombardment by Iraqi Scud missiles.

The Israelis discovered that a number of the electronic components were built by German companies. There was also talk that chemical weapons Iraq had used against Iran were also produced by Germany.

Israeli diplomats played the Holocaust card masterfully and blackmailed Germany into almost fully financing the purchase of the first two Dolphins. The country signed an arms deal worth nearly $1.5-billion and financed two-thirds of it. Germany&#8217;s largesse and generosity continues to this day.

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The words extortion and blackmail are NOT fabricated lies by Jack or anyone else here , its what many other Jews think and say.
Jews like Richard Silvrstein / Norman Finklestein and many more

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"Der Spiegel notes that Germany&#8217;s leaders have been so eager to offer Israel advanced weaponry that they not only violated the country&#8217;s arms export laws, in one case a defense minister actually drove up to the Israeli consulate and hand-delivered a new armor-piercing grenade wrapped in a trench coat with the words:


Here&#8217;s one for the boys in Tel Aviv!

You can&#8217;t get any more generous than that! Franz Josef Strauss, the minister mentioned above, even stole from German stockpiles and reported the munitions as stolen in order to protect himself. Among the items &#8220;lost&#8221; or &#8220;loaned&#8221; to Israel were:


&#8230;Sikorsky helicopters, Noratlas transport aircraft, rebuilt M-48 tanks, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and anti-tank guided missiles.

And who do you think was the Israeli who facilitated (some might say &#8220;greased&#8221 this relationship? David Ben Gurion&#8217;s chief political fixer, Shimon Peres. It began with secret conversations at the German defense minister&#8217;s home in 1957 and by the following year arms exports to Israel began in earnest. By 1967, when such weapons played a critical role in enabling Israel to achieve military superiority over the Arab states, it would become clear how critical this relationship was to Israel&#8217;s victory. In 1973, when Israel faced the possibility of losing the October War, then Chancellor Willy Brandt violated German export law by sending emergency shipments of arms to Israel. He justified his actions by saying he was responding to an emergency that was &#8220;above the law.&#8221; Sound familiar?

As early as 1961, Strauss was holding secret meetings with Peres and Ben Gurion during which they discussed the &#8220;Samson Option,&#8221; Israel&#8217;s plan to get a nuclear weapon. The effort was masked by an Israeli request to design a nuclear reactor in order to desalinate water and &#8220;make the desert bloom.&#8221;




"Israel faced an economic crisis in those years and funding was limited for such an expensive project. Ben Gurion likely saw the Germans as their Daddy Warbucks. Then German Chancellor Adenauer approved a nearly $1-billion loan which was never officially audited and which financed Israel&#8217;s bomb. Thanks to German generosity, Israel had a crude version of a nuclear weapon in place by 1967. It&#8217;s purpose was to stave off a possible catastrophic Israeli defeat in the unlikely event such a thing should happen as a result of the War"


READ MORE : much more here :

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2...-get-nukes-and-now-its-nuke-armed-submarines/

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Latest wold news? Thought it was ironic or something this was posted here, but I get your point. Honestly, she gets paid for being obnxoious, the real story here is how American society has moved in this direction of self-centered "egoist" type praising. Act like a fool on the Jersey shore, you get a show, you fight like cats and dogs in your mcmansions and you get to be a real housewife. Loud and selfish is in and the rewards can be in the millions. Even our movies are getting too over the top, I remember taking a flight in Australia and I was kind of embarassed by what was being played; sexed up ridiculus plot with potty humor, i'm no prude, it felt like it was trying too hard. On top of it, it wasn't good, it wasn't bringing anything to the table... I'll get off my soapbox now and adjust the tinfoil.. .lol

 

Lame attempt at trying to tie UN Security Council sanctions to one person because she turns out to have jewish heritage.
Calling her a child killer is inaccurate, slanderous and disconnected from reality.

And then attempting to equate her to any big scary nazi? Being part of a international economic blockade of a rogue genocidal regime is comparable to Hiltler and the boys only in the minds of nazi defenders and holocaust deniers.

You mean dissident voices get drowned out by the mainstream? Is this another jew plot? Imagine the nerve.

no need to make excuses for your uninformed, spurious and salacious posts.

the lack of candor, the misrepresentation, the outrageous conspiratorial connections do not necessarily indicate a lack of attention span in this particular instance, merely calcified neural pathways.

Are you suggesting that everyone that arrives at personal political and spiritual determinations should be activists? that they should champion the cause of the enemies of Israel and judaism?

You need jews to tell you that jews against zionism is a miniscule fringe orthodox minority? Do you never consider your sources when finding your material and formulating your arguments, such as they are?

 

Dare - bleat + keep raw whatever wounds you feel you must . Just dont keep hammering it onto others.


The past cannot be undone and past injustice cannot be used as a smokescreen to conceal/hide present days atrocities , criminal activities and injustices. by Zionist Jews + their supporters against another poorly armed people.

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Nah - more like mainstream having been thoughly brainwashed by a deviously clever ruling elite. If you think they are Jews , then so be it.

JewsAgainstZionism is NOT the only group - its one of many others who arent as gullible as the majority. .

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men".

Samuel Adams
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&#8220;Almost always, the creative dedicated minority has made the world better.&#8221;
Martin Luther King, Jr
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&#8220;Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.&#8221;
Mahatma Gandhi
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Yes that is the article that I referenced. Not sure what you are attempting to say here?

Marlie, facts are not ever elusive. they can be readily found by those interested in actually looking.

Firstly, unlike many neo nazis and assorted other jew haters, the fact that the german people as a NATION feels a certain long term guilt for the Nazi scourge is perfectly understandable from both a political and a moral standpoint. and it also doesn't hurt when there are economic benefits to be had as well - since a little realpolitik is always refreshing.

Second, the subs are not weapons of mass destruction in and of themselves. Its the nukes that are the WMD, and the sub is merely the platform. If you are retired, then you lived thru the cold war as did I. MAD was an insane doctrine that worked. Israel is in possession of the final "hammer" but like russia and all the other nuclear powers their doctrine is anything but first strike.

Yes, sounds like a sensible military strategy.

As per the WRMEA article, it also uses the words blackmail and extortion, but he also uses the word speculated.

I should be used to you and yours assuming any speculation of misdeed by jews is as good as fact.

Gee marlie, I can't say I am surprised at the misrepresentation of this bit of history.

Germany and Israel: Moral Debt and National Interest

I am aware of both the good work and the sloppy work of Mr. Silverstein. He is prone to speculation at times and isn't the most studious of fact checkers. In the above, the only thing that is not speculation is the loan. Unless of course Mr. Silverstein is in possession of nuclear state secrets, something vanunu got life for revealing?


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If you'd like to discuss this or any other literary work, just start a new thread and I'll be glad to participate.

 

You still don't get it. qu'elle suprise.

I totally agree that past injustices in no way can justify current ones.

I will but note that it is not Israel's fault that the palestinians are poorly armed. It is the palestinians determination to fight despite being poorly armed that has in some ways contributed to this prolonged clustermuck.

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You still don't get it. qu'elle suprise.

I totally agree that past injustices in no way can justify current ones.

I will but note that it is not Israel's fault that the palestinians are poorly armed. It is the palestinians determination to fight despite being poorly armed that has in some ways contributed to this prolonged clustermuck.

 

Indeed.

Stop ten people in the street.

Ask them if they have heard of Genrikh Yagoda.

When they say they haven't, then think 'Why not'?



An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

The Jewish population of Russia at that time, was around 1%.

 

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Sorry, but in this specific area, where jews do not support the EXISTENCE of Israel, they are in a miniscule minority. As for gullibility, have you actually heard what these whackos have to say? have you read any of their perspectives and interpretations? I realize for you and yours, kyou could care less about whether they have a valid rationale, just that they are a bunch of jews in opposition to the evil zionist state.

Good one. Yes indeedy, these rabbis certainly have freedom of their minds.

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Using only the first line is a dishonest distortion + taken out of context. , but no surprise .

Although written by C.M . the words are that of Machiavell in the play.

" I count religion but a childish toy, And hold there is no sin but ignorance. Birds of the air will tell of murders past! I am asham'd to hear such fooleries.

But to present the tragedy of a Jew, Who smiles to see how full his bags are cramm'd; Which money was not got without my means. I crave but this,—grace him as he deserves, And let him not be entertain'd the worse Because he favours me"

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You're a joke.

 

Because he was stalin's stooge? I fail to see how he was responsible for 10 million deaths. The great purges didn't start in earnest until 1937, months after he was demoted and then swept up and executed along with 3,000 other NKVD operatives.

What evidence do you have to back up your claims?

He was head of nkvd for 25 months. You should get your fact straight, but its a jew despite being an atheist so exaggeration and distortion are just as acceptable as facts in this case.

So what this opinion piece is saying is that jews were in the minority of senior positions in the Soviet security apparatus. that makes sense.

 

Guarantee s of truth ? TRUTH ? HUH ?

Tell me when tell me when you find such Guarantees.

 

Out of context? dishonest distortion?

Yes, I am aware that machiavel speaks the words, because Marlowe tells us.

It would seem you are unaware of any deeper meaning to the prologue spoken by machiavel, attempting to extract a literal meaning, i.e. barabas smiles with his bags cramm'd.

Its too bad you do not have literary analysis and criticism skills to fully appreciate what Marlowe is actually saying, and certainly it would appear you have no knowledge of the contemporary issues he deals with.

here's a taste that is well worth the read.
http://csustansjvj.com/web/issues/vol3/criticism/SJVJ2012_Engert.pdf

here is an analysis of how marlowe expands on machievelli's philosophy in the Jew of Malta
http://voices.yahoo.com/literary-analysis-prince-niccolo-machiavelli-6074870.html

should you desire a more comprehensive knowledge base, I suggest you visit:
http://www.marlowe-society.org/

far be it for me to mention you are totally out of your depth here.

 

Yes it is out of context - dishonest and a distortion. You now , after I've exposed to claim to have been aware it was spoken by Machiavell, not coz I said so , but its there for all to see that you've tried to deceive the unwary reader.,

Jonsa - I've had enough of your pathetic ego trips + attempts to score cheap points .

fyi - many years ago I recall , in my teens we did the Jew of Malta in High School. it was fooking boring

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Joan Rivers is pretty obnoxious, but the quoted joke actually sounds more like something Seth MacFarlane or Doug Stanhope would say.

For that reason, I found it hilarious (despite being distasteful).

 

great attempt at trying to score cheap points.

As for you enlightening me as to who is speaking and your simplistic literal take on what is actually being said.

I guess you didn't bother reading the provided literary references. I supplied those so there could be no doubt that CM used machiavelli' s philosophy as the foundation of the entire satire. I certainly knew you wouldn't take my word for it.

Yes, well that explains it then.

 

sometimes distasteful is funny. It just depends on ones sensitivities. I also thought it funny.

 

Ha ha.

He is pretty funny.

However.

For me, I loved this guy...

[video=youtube;hWiBt-pqp0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=hWiBt-pqp0E[/video]

 

Seriously. This is the first I've heard of this tempest in a teacup.

It'll be news when Joan Rivers stops telling over-the-top jokes like that...

 

[video=youtube;m3hjv-2bBlw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=m3hjv-2bBlw[/video]

 

Dont forget mention of "your pathetic ego trips" which you snipped - failed to confront, or refute.

Nevertheles I'm glad to finally hear you admitting your cheap point scoring game.


I've no idea what you was like in your teens but I was far more interested in girls than in the Jew of Malta.

Mea culpa without repent .


btw - as for my ignorance , WOW - If a man like Cicero was'nt ashamed of his ignorance then fer fux sake , why should silly old me ?
IMO - its a helluva lot better that some BS ting arrogant plonker forever trying to convince everyone what a clever A H he is .





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