The Holocaust revised!!!!

you deniers are hilarious. Other than rightwing biblebelters I can't think of a more uninformed yet opinionated group so assured of their righteousness because they read it in a book somewhere.

After Jack et.al. have finished blaming the jews for the start of every war, the great depression, the german reparation treaty, the murder of hundreds of thousands of jews by zionists, communism, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc., The facts will always remain.

And the facts are pretty straight forward.

No Gas Chambers for extermination?????

Upon hearing of the leuchter report the Crakow Institute conducted a second study - "A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls Of The Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps". this one is naturally scientific in nature and as well comprehensive with mulitiple controls AND additional experimentation to validate their on-site findings. Ooops.

crackow institute report:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/

These reports totally and completely debunks Leuchters report. Leuchter is further revealed to be a scientific charlatan in the documentary Mr. Death, where his own videotaping of him sampling reveals the extent of his ineptitude. But of course deniers would rather rely on a pathetic little man like Leuchter than any real scientist, because everyone knows that jews control all science as well as world banking, the united states, mass media, and global warming.

[video=youtube;47jeOYLauxw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47jeOYLauxw[/video]


Then of course you have Pressac's extensive and rather definitive work:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/pressac0011.shtml

Then of course there is the complete refutation of Gemar Rudolph and his various psuedonyms. These three articles are rather informative as they directly address the kinds of logical fallacies and rhetorical arguments used by gemar and the gang.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/

and for those interested in Zyklon B chemistry
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/zyklonb/

So the only two "scientific" forensic studies conducted on behalf of the revisionists are Leuchter's report and Krege's report, both of which have been conclusively and decisively and scientifically trashed.
The revisionists supposed Chemical expert - Rudolph, has been exposed as a fraud and liar, not to mention a very poor chemist. His conclusions have also been decisively debunked.

Now much has also been made of the "ventilation" problem. Seems deniers believe that there was insufficient Introduction/ventilation or none at all in the extermination gas chambers. For the most part this is based on some analysis of aerial photography.
Well, this has also been extensively researched by pressac and he totally debunks the denier premise. Not to mention that the Topf civilian contractor who installed the ventilations systems also witnessed the first 1500 crakow jews being gassed! oops.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/pressac0355.shtml

then there are the diaries and personal letters by the nazis. Seems the denier's would cast doubt on the goebel diaries simply because the 1942 -45 diaries were found by the commies - there is absolutely no proof of forgery, and the scholars that have been working on them haven't raised any flags as to the consistency of language etc, it remains for the revisionists to supply evidence of forgery.

Likewise with Hoess apparent torture confession. Seems that the revisionists also got that all wrong. He was beaten up badly in the three days leading up to his testimony as a witness for the defence at nuremburg. It was a least a year later he went to trial in Poland, during which he wrote his "memoirs", openly confessed to his crimes and begged forgiveness of the court, the jewish people and his victims.

EVIDENCE. I supplied some (and i do stress some for there is a mountain more) for my side of the debate.

The evidence on the other side is pretty slim to the extent that rhetorical argument is central to their position and supported by the heavy use of unsubstantiated claims of forgery, coersion, speculation and conspiracies in an effort to cast doubt on evidence and testimony.

One denier even went so far as to suggest that denier "scholars" have not been published and peer reviewed because they are afraid for their safety, but are courageous enough to post their "findings" on the web. Fact of the matter is, that nearly every piece of denier evidence has effectively been peer reviewed and trashed as I have shown in just a few of the volumninous scientific and academic responses to their flimsy contentions.

 

Clearly getting their dirty claws on Russia now...

The Russian lower house has received a new bill suggesting up to five years in prison for publicly denying the Holocaust or portraying Nazis as heroes.

The sponsor of the bill is Boris Shpigel, an Upper House member who recently submitted his resignation after being elected president of international rights group 'World without Nazism,' as Russian laws do not allow senators to hold leading posts in foreign or international organizations.

The new bill suggests amending the Criminal Code article on inciting hatred or humiliation of human dignity. The current draft would criminalize the rehabilitation of Nazism, portraying Nazis or their aides as heroes, Holocaust denial and also humiliating the dignity of individuals or groups on the basis of gender, race, ethnicity, language, background, religion or belonging to a social group. These offenses would be prosecuted if committed in public or in mass media.

The amendments would punish such crimes with fines ranging from 100,000 to 300,000 rubles (from $3,300 to $10,000), correctional labor for up to two years or, in severe cases, prison terms of up to two years. If the crime is committed through abuse of office or together with threats of violence, the fines are raised to 500,000 rubles (under $17,000) and a maximum prison term of five years.

Russian law mandates punishment for inciting racial and ethnic hatred, and Nazi movements are outlawed in the country. However, these norms have not been formalized into a single legislative act. Last May, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Russian-led Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) political bloc approved a model law aimed at countering the glorification of Nazism, prioritizing mandatory punishment for such crimes.

Russian law enforcement has also noted a rise in nationalist sentiment in society, and called for rapid approval of laws to combat this threat.

The CIS model law also suggested the establishment of a special body to counter the rehabilitation of Nazism, which would inform society about the problem and present annual reports. However, this provision was not included in the Russian bill.

http://rt.com/politics/denial-holocaust-criminalize-moves-russia-853/

 

Moscow is dismayed after a number of countries failed to support a resolution designed to fight against the glorification of Nazism.

The Foreign Ministry said Moscow regrets that the United States, the European Union and Ukraine have refused to support a UN General Assembly resolution aimed at battling the modern scourge of Nazism and other racist movements, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday.

"We are perplexed and upset that the United States and Canada were against, and EU states abstained, in the vote on the draft resolution, which gained the approval of the majority of UN member countries," the ministry said on its website.

Equally disturbing from Moscow’s point of view is that Ukraine, which bore the brunt of Hitler’s Eastern blitzkrieg during World War II, chose not support the document.

"The position of Ukraine, which once again preferred to abstain from condemning Nazism glorification instead of paying tribute to the memory of those who died fighting that evil is also regrettable," the ministry said.

The ministry said it hopes the resolution will send a clear message to countries which it says should have taken resolute measures long ago to suppress the intensified attempts at glorifying Nazism, including Waffen SS veterans.

The resolution was adopted at a meeting of the Third Committee of the UN General Assembly in New York City at the initiative of Russia, in coordination with the delegations of another 42 countries. Some 120 states voted in support of the resolution, three were against (the US, Canada and the Marshall Islands) and 57 abstained.

The document expressed profound concern over the increase of extremist movements and political parties advocating “racism, ethno-centrism and xenophobia.” The resolution condemned glorification of the Nazi movement and Waffen SS veterans through monuments and public events that contain Nazi and neo-Nazi propaganda.

Such actions defile the memory of the numerous victims of the Nazis, have a negative effect on the younger generation and are at variance with the stated commitments of UN member states, it stated.

Of particular importance is the provision that condemns ongoing attempts to vandalize or destroy monuments in honor of those who fought against Hitler, as well as efforts to conduct illegal exhumation and reburial of their remains, the ministry statement concluded.

Russia, which lost millions of soldiers and civilians in the fight against Nazism, has criticized a number of controversial moves by foreign governments. In 2007, for example, Estonia made the decision to relocate the Bronze Soldier, which marked the graves of several Soviet soldiers, from central Tallinn to the nearby Tallinn Military Cemetery.

The move incited mass riots in the Estonian capital that resulted in the death of a Russian-native protester.

The Russian draft was co-authored by Belarus, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Bolivia, Venezuela, Vietnam, Gabon, Guinea, Zimbabwe, India, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Cote d'Ivoire, Cuba, Laos, Lebanon, Mauritania, Myanmar, Namibia, Niger, Nigeria, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Rwanda, the Seychelles, Syria, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, Sri Lanka, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia and South Sudan.


http://rt.com/politics/nazism-glorification-un-russia-war-807/

 

Oops, I forgot to remember that. Knowing how desperate he tried to make peace with the Brits, he probably never figured they would declare war on him, ditto the French. There his naivete shines through. What a colossal mistake that turned out to be, for now he had two fronts to defend. Fatalistic for the German civilians = carpet bombing

And yet, to this day, kids will tell you the Nazis threatened our Canadian freedom.

Pathetic!
Comparing the civilian casualties on both sides:

"Saturday, 7th September 1940 - was the first day of the Blitz. The first RAF raid on the interior of Germany took place on the night of 15/16 May 1940. By the end of May 1941, over 43,000 civilians, half of them in London, had been killed by bombing. About 50,000 British civilians compared to 1.5 million Germans?"
http://www.whale.to/b/bombing_ger.html

Their U-Boats were quite good!

The first casualty is the truth!

 

Bla bla bla.....The same bunch of canned boilerplate blather..

 

Sure they are. They're just more gentle in their methods.

 

I always find it fascinating how whenever cornered our holocaust deniers have to turn it into everything but the systematic death of millions of people

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Thats about the level isn't it - Facts just mess with your whole argument don't they

 

That may have been true in Europe but the POW camps for Nazis were 5 star hotels here in the US.

German POWs on the American Homefront
[h=2] Thousands of World War II prisoners ended up in mills, farm fields and even dining rooms across the United States [/h]

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Isn't that interesting!!! Canada, a close friend of Israel voted against the non-glorification of the good old Nazis. How come, I wonder?

 

Sadly you don't know what you are talking about.

I have already supplied detailed sources on the use of zyklon-b and forensic testing of the gas chambers, krema, delousing stations and barracks.

There would not be any noticeble traces of "prussian blue" on gassed bodies.
There would be minute traces of prussian blue in the gas chambers due to a) exposure time (20 min) and b) porosity of the concrete
There would be large traces of prussian blue in the delousing areas due to a) 24 -48 hour exposure time and b) porosity of brick/mortar and wood construction of the areas, as can clearly be seen in the leuchter video as he displays his ignorance once again.

 

We used to drop nukes on our troops all the time. Heck, we nuked Mississippi twice. The issue of nuclear fallout is way overblown.

 

OTOH, I've supplied tons of evidence that refutes just about everything you have ever said about the holocaust. And You haven't provided a shred of hard evidence to support you claims. Keep jerking around and avoiding the issues by playing this stupid game

 

But, But.....
If someone as qualified as a man with an arts degree, decides there were no gas chambers, there were no gas chambers!

 

What facts? Show me proof that the nazis deliberatly gassed millions of Jews using a common insecticide? I do not believe it. Explain to me how the 4 million dead at Auchwitz turned to 1.5 million around '78 but the base figure of 6 million never changed. Tell me why it's such a big deal anyway, sixty years later and that people are getting charged with a crime for publishing the fact that they don't believe what they have been told by officials who have a solid history of distortions and lies. Something really stinks about this whole crazy holocaust crap and the endless parade of Hollywood movies that we are continually bombarded with. The FACT is that hundreds of millions were murdered by tyrannical governments and greedy war profiteers in the 20th century. How long do we have to hear the endless whining of the holocausters squealing on and on. A lot of people were in the wrong place at the wrong time last century and got killed unjustly some Jews and many more gentiles. Get over it...

 

You are absolutley right.
Millions of jews just vanished into thin air.
Maybe they all died in car accidents?
Or choked on their own matza in passover?
No, No, i know the answer - There were no jews to begin with!

BTW - you should be the one getting over it as it is clearly you who whine about "Holocaust crap".

 

please don't display your ignorance. There are a myriad of reasons why they chose a modified pesticide not the least of which were immediacy of effect, relatively safe handling, rapid dispersion, and plausible deniablity.

If you you are up to the chemisty here are two studies that will provide the necessary pragmatic attributes required for its dual purpose.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/works/irmscher-1942/htm/intro000.htm

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/zyklonb/#note-11

 

How much of the Nuremberg documents have you browsed

I am sure historians world wide a cringing in fear of your opinion

Because no one ever really belived the Soviet figure. After the war it was always considered between 1.1 million to 1.5 million were killed there. The Soviets came up with 4 million all by themselves.

It is not a big deal. But in my years on the internet 99% of threads and discussions are sparked by revisionists. If it is no big deal, why keep bringing it up

There are some 150 countries that have no such legislation, why dont you all go publish there and prove your point.

Yes and Hollywood is famous as the fore front of historical research in the world today. But hey German cinema was not much better. Their version of Titanic would be funny if it was not meant to be serious.

 

50 million pages? Sure.


That's the estimated size of Wikipedia in 2010 equivalent to about 3.5 million pages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_comparisons

Lies have to be reasonable to be believable.

 

And the US Congressional library has 61 million books...................your point?

 

Well, they had about 65 years to pull off their fraud so it's about time it's ready.

 

No they actually only had 7 months to produce 45,000 pieces of evidence

 

Actually I could care less bout Jews Jack. The point is that humans can do this to one another and, it has to be remembered so that it can never be repeated. Six million Jews were murdered for their racial, ethnic and religious background and, another six million Poles, Gypsies, homosexuals and political undesirables were murdered because they were not liked by the state.

You are the one who is making it about Jews when it is about humans.

 

Give us a quote and a page number please Jack.

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Thanks. Please provide the quote in context and link us to which edition and date.

 

Let it be known how the US treated the German POW in 1945/46
and the German women:

http://rense.com/general19/camps.htm

 

Rense is what I call a reliable source.
Good job.