The Holocaust revised!!!!

Keep the head firmly buried in the sand.

Of course there is, you simply are spewing the revisionist mantra. I have provided the evidence, but you seem to suddenly have lost the ability to read, analyse and discuss.

The reason you refuse to actually address the evidence is that you have no rebuttal - zip, nada, rien.

absence of proof is not in itself evidence. its merely absence of proof.
Not that anyone was actually going to start autopsying hundreds of thousands of bodies anytime soon.

You cannot tell by sight if a person was killed by hydrogen cyanide inhalation. A bluish tinge to the skin from lactic acidosis is in most cases undetectable.

but you knew that didn't you?

Excuse me posterity. Me and the boys gassed all kinds of jews and such other scum as we thought necessary. Don't think of it as mass murder, think of it as merely taking out the garbage.

Are you for real? You think the nazi's, who so scrupulously used a list of euphamisms to describe the holocaust would actually admit to murdering a million or two in gas chambers? Not even a revisionist is that stupid.

Yes they have and I have provided the evidence.

Incorrect again. I have provide the evidence and even copies of reports.

Yes, you have nothing at all. why don't you try addressing the evidence I presented? Because you can't. You have nothing except the same tired old denials and accusations.

My links are to actually evidence. since I am supplying the proofs, they certainly aren't "against proofs".

As for being complete nonsensicals, it appears as tho you do not have anything else to come back with but idiotic statements that cannot be backed up by any credible source.

I must say however, that you are displaying the traditional reaction of revisionists when cornered with overwhelming evidence that makes the few shreds of revisionist history look so pathetically ridiculous. You are incapable of debate, merely denunciation, as tho others would be so stupid to simlpy accept the word of a totally unqualified layperson with no academic or scientific background.
I'm sure that CODOH will be sending you your merit badge shortly.

 

She won't answer because she can't answer.

As if the nazi's would sign death certificates with cyanide posioning as cause of death. Nazi's were a tad smarter than revisionists it seems.

 

The "chamber buildings are exist , but there are doubts abt how + and for what purpose it was used. Recent evidence indicates that it was - De-lousing chambers, de-lousing the prisoner's clothing + bedding.

Sometimes understanding of past events are so deeply entrenched in the minds of believers - it rejects any new information .

"Survivors who Tell the Truth

[video=youtube;xm8UmMuRSSw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8UmMuRSSw&feature=youtu.be&bpctr=1364473764[/video]

.... An Orchestra - ? a Movie theater ? Football (soccer) inThieresenstadt Camp ?


surely NOT - huh ?

 

=-[=445245]Keep the head firmly buried in the sand.




Of course there is, you simply are spewing the revisionist mantra. I have provided the evidence, but you seem to suddenly have lost the ability to read, analyse and discuss.

The reason you refuse to actually address the evidence is that you have no rebuttal - zip, nada, rien.



absence of proof is not in itself evidence. its merely absence of proof.
Not that anyone was actually going to start autopsying hundreds of thousands of bodies anytime soon.

You cannot tell by sight if a person was killed by hydrogen cyanide inhalation. A bluish tinge to the skin from lactic acidosis is in most cases undetectable.

but you knew that didn't you?




Excuse me posterity. Me and the boys gassed all kinds of jews and such other scum as we thought necessary. Don't think of it as mass murder, think of it as merely taking out the garbage.

Are you for real? You think the nazi's, who so scrupulously used a list of euphamisms to describe the holocaust would actually admit to murdering a million or two in gas chambers? Not even a revisionist is that stupid.



Yes they have and I have provided the evidence.



Incorrect again. I have provide the evidence and even copies of reports.




Yes, you have nothing at all. why don't you try addressing the evidence I presented? Because you can't. You have nothing except the same tired old denials and accusations.



My links are to actually evidence. since I am supplying the proofs, they certainly aren't "against proofs".

As for being complete nonsensicals, it appears as tho you do not have anything else to come back with but idiotic statements that cannot be backed up by any credible source.

I must say however, that you are displaying the traditional reaction of revisionists when cornered with overwhelming evidence that makes the few shreds of revisionist history look so pathetically ridiculous. You are incapable of debate, merely denunciation, as tho others would be so stupid to simlpy accept the word of a totally unqualified layperson with no academic or scientific background.
I'm sure that CODOH will be sending you your merit badge shortly.[/QUOTE]

I am a reasonably intelligent woman who has lived on this Planet for a good few years, long enough to know the Ways of the World. I grew up with the Holocaust, I went through all the agonies we all have at the horrors we were told. I have also since gone through the other horror of realising it was lies.

No body can force me to believe an untruth when that untruth is so obvious. Open your mind and you will see. Holocaust is nothing but blind faith. Repent sinners, repent

On that note I bid you a good day .........for there is a real life some where around here I have heard tell .......

 

an outstanding logical fallacy.

The holocaust couldn't have occured because some very small number of holocaust deniers have been harrassed for their odious national socialist envy and jew hatred.

Cannot address the issues at all. Have to engage in rhetorical argument instead.

Why not take a chance and explain the Cracow institute's second report on their investigation into cyanide traces in the gas chambers, Krema, delousing stations and barracks. Explain how could the findings be consistent with their experimental results. Explain how the high concentrations of cyanide were found in the gas chamber and krema? Naaaaaahhhhh. You can't so you engage in stupid rhetorical questions and transparent denunciations of hard evidence.

Lame, intellectual dishonesty in a vain attempt to maintain an almost religious zealotry in a alternative reality.

 

Marlowe, show us that recent evidence, because the evidence I have submitted clearly identifies the delousing stations, even those under the (iirc) Krema's II, III and V. The forensic cyanide analyses also identifies the delousing stations. Take a tour of Aushwitz and you can clearly see some of them. Even Leuchter managed to stumble his way onto one.

Show us this recent evidence.

 

I am not answering a hypothetical question.How on earth is that any argument ? It isn't.

You have no idea what I have or have not seen where I have been or who I know or what I have done and etc. This is a forum on which we come as equals to talk and in which we may or may not give out any private information about ourselves.

We come here as equals, neither I nor anyone else needs to 'prove' them selves to anyone else. They seem to me to be extremely lazy and cheap arguing points which you have been reduced to using.

 

Wait a sec, so millions of Jews were gassed to death and theres no autopsy evidence?

 

As I said, "can't address the evidence". And can't produce any evidence in support of your certainty. that is called blind faith, which is not surprising since you appear to be completely blind to the evidence that absolutely trashes the junk peddled by revisionists.

Seems you have nothing of substance to contribute other than tired rhetorical argument.

Best run along now.
Hope you find that real life you are looking for.

 

Again ? Not now my dear, if this thread is still alive and kicking later maybe .................. Blind Faith in a Negative God is even more tiresome than the other bugger supposedly looking into our minds and living in a cloud up up in the sky.
Brain washed by nasty nasty Freudians who don't like people .............

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.

We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized." - Edward Bernays


http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=8339

 

Jonso , didnt watch the video . right ?


Glad to learn that agree t the chambers was used for de-lousing prisoner's clothing and bedding etc.

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You also refused to suggest where all those millions had disappeared to. I will conclude, in the absence of anything from you other than anecdotes, quotes from de-bunked denialists and subjective opinion, that you are nothing less than an anti-Semitic Holocaust denier. Unless, of course, you can convince me otherwise. Other than that our conversation is finished.

Oh, and by the way, my 'hypothetical' question really isn't that hard to answer; you just choose not to because you can't give me an honest reply. If you asked me, hypothetically, if I'd enjoy tomorrow's steak dinner I'd say 'maybe-depends how it's cooked'. See, it really isn't that tricky.

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A bit tricky to do an autopsy on dust and carbonised bone, wouldn't you say?

 

not all the chambers. Guess you didn't read the detailed reports from the institute that did the study.

 

I think there is also a fair chunk of Nazi apologist in this poster as well.

 

It had crossed my mind-but he did build some fine motorways! Which excuses everything...

 

Designed specifically for planes to land on and tanks to drive down lol

 

Jonsa , are you saying Krakow inst. found "High" concentrations of cyanide ? Hmmm - If so then I dont know which one of us are misreading the report :

":A recent investigation by a Polish government agency has authoritatively corroborated the findings of Fred Leuchter from his detailed 1988 on-site forensic examination of supposed German wartime extermination gas chambers. The American execution expert concluded that the "gas chambers" in the former concentration camps of Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek were never used to kill people. (On Leuchter's findings and the resulting international controversy, see his detailed Report, which is available from the IHR, as well as The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1989 and Winter 1990-91, and the IHR Newsletter, October 1990 and January 1991.)

Concerned at the impact of Leuchter's widely-circulated Report, the Auschwitz State Museum, a Polish government agency, commissioned the Institute of Forensic Research (Instytut Ekspertyz Sadowych) of Krakow to carry out its own investigation. The result: In a carefully worded six-page internal forensic report, the Institute's experts essentially replicated Leuchter's findings and implicitly corroborated his conclusions.

Consistent with Leuchter's investigation, the Institute's specialists detected absolutely no traces of cyanide (or ferro-ferri-cyanide compound) in most of the plaster and brick samples taken from the alleged extermination gas chambers. Traces of cyanides were detected in eight samples, seven of which were rooms in Block 3 of Auschwitz main camp where -as the Institute's experts acknowledge - inmate clothing was disinfected by "gassing" with Zyklon.

A barely detectable trace of cyanide compound was found in the eighth remaining "positive" sample, which was sample No. 15 from the alleged homicidal "gas chamber" in Krema building II in Birkenau. Significantly, this is the only sample taken from any of the supposed extermination gas chambers that showed any trace of cyanide. The presence of an almost indetectable trace in this sample is entirely in keeping with Leuchter's conclusion that the room from which it was taken must have been deloused with Zyklon at one time or another.

In an apparent attempt at "damage control," the authors of the Institute's report sought to play down or negate the significance of their own findings by asserting that any cyanide traces would have disappeared long ago under the impact of the weather and the elements. This assertion is simply not true, as Leuchter and other specialists have pointed out:

Precisely speaking, it is not hydrogen cyanide itself that leaves a trace, but rather the compounds that result from the interaction of hydrogen cyanide with iron and other heavy metal ions. The resulting ferro-ferri-cyanide compounds are very stable as James Roth, chief chemist of Alpha Analytical Labs in Massachusetts, testified in the 1988 "Holocaust" trial of Ernst Zündel. Even after 45 years, the compounds would not have "weathered away."

It is not true that all of the alleged gas chambers were exposed to the elements, as the Institute's experts contend. Specifically, the entire crematory facility (Krema) I in the Auschwitz main camp, including the alleged homicidal "gas chamber" there, has been completely intact since the camp was liberated by Soviet forces in January 1945.

The authors of the Krakow Institute report make no effort to explain the absence of cyanide traces in this "gas chamber." Similarly, the alleged extermination gas chamber of crematory facility (Krema) II in Birkenau is protected by the collapsed concrete ceiling, and is otherwise in its original condition.

It is worth noting that the Krakow Institute's report did not respond at all to other compelling reasons given by Leuchter for doubting the orthodox extermination story. As he points out, for example, the alleged homicidal gas chambers he examined were not properly sealed or vented for use as killing facilities.


Auschwitz State Museum officials initiated this investigation rather obviously hoping that the Institute's report would discredit Leuchter's findings and corroborate the orthodox extermination account. And just as obviously, if the Institute's report had, in fact, discredited the American engineer's conclusions, the Auschwitz State Museum and Holocaust organizations around the world would certainly have wasted no time in giving it maximum publicity.

Although neither the Auschwitz State Museum nor the Krakow Institute has (so far) made this September 1990 report public, Revisionists were nevertheless able to obtain a copy of the original document. Professor Robert Faurisson in France and Fred Leuchter in the United States were quick to cite this "Polish Leuchter Report" as corroboration of the Revisionist view of the Auschwitz extermination story. (See the IHR Newsletter, April 1991.)


(Jonsa - I know you're going to really enjoy this ))


Published here for the first time in English, a translation of the Krakow Institute's report follows:


http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p207_Staff.html

byeeeeee.


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why not?

http://holocaustmusic.ort.org/places/camps/

http://holocaustmusic.ort.org/music/theatre-art/

It certainly makes the inmates more pliant. and of course, nothing in that precludes murdering the inmates and the transportees does it? Or am I mistaken and music and plays and diversions from the horrors of hte camp meant that the nazis were not trying to exterminate the jews et.al.?

I viewed the video. In a very sneering voice the narrator claims that the "soccer field" was in full view of the krema III chambers. this is completely false. It seems Mr.Ball's aerial photo analysis was rather mistaken.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_nm.php?MediaId=304

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_nm.php?MediaId=305

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_nm.php?MediaId=303

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEou9v9k2WQ

 

There is none of that either !

 

Point out the 66million Russian Christians starved, beaten, put into gulags, murdered, by the bastard Reds, and you get 'Ah, but they were not singled out for their ethnicity'.

Like WTF is that even supposed to mean? The implication is clear. In their eyes it is lesser. And it is lesser because the victims are not Jews. If you are being brutalised, I doubt if it acts as a comfort if the tormentor says 'Nothing personal old chap, this isn't ethnically motivated'.

Cite the terrible A bombs in Japan + you get 'Ah but, there were not six million killed'. So. A moment ago, numbers did not matter, and now they do again.

Cite the awful massacres in Dresden, and you get 'Ah, but they weren't being marched into gas chambers'.
As if somehow having your limbs blown off instead is a comfort.

This would be a more honest position for the holocost religion cult to take.

'We ONLY care about this because it is Jews. No matter how many non Jews dead that you quote, and no matter by what means, it is not as important to us, for they are not Jews'.
But they won't come right out and say that, of course.

Because that would be admitting their delusional Jewish supremacy, and that would make them look like the hypocrites that they most surely are.

 

If you want to start a thread on other atrocities feel free to do so. Throwing red-herrings into the argument doesn't help you.

 

'They' never look at our arguments. 'They' go and find what the Holocaust Priests have said about our evidence and parrot it or say with noses in air, all superior like 'Oh pooh that person has been 'debagged a hundred times' and such like. And so yet again it is all second hand nonsense we have to fight against.

 

They ain't red herrings.

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And when that does not work, then comes the threats, the threats of violence, the actual violence, the fire bombs, etc.

Such hateful thuggery.

 

Of course they're red herrings. This thread concerns Jews and the Holocaust-not Stalin, Pol Pot, Rwanda, the Congo.

 

Only since 1960, before that all camps were named 'death camps'. No proof was found in the camps accessible to the West so we where then told Oh no all the gassings were done behind the, now, Iron Curtain .........which no one from the West could go and test but then nor did the Russians say a bloody word about.

Then the Iron curtain came down .allowing the West access to Camps and documents and all and low and behold before anyone could say Jack whathisname Holocaust denial became illegal. Mmmmmmm 'very interesting' ( in a German accent ) eh ?