Christians~ Define Atheism

Not a Christian but I'll give you my perspective for what's worth.

I am agnostic when it comes to the ultimate cause as they say which is not to say how the universe began but rather that there is indeed something behind the curtains so to speak one could consider God. How can one be anything other than that with our current understanding of existence? I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say why bother considering it and indeed I am of that mindset but it seems you cannot enter the conversation unless you have your labels figured out.

However when it comes to the Gods of men which consists of every God ever written about and defined by men I am an Atheist and when it comes to the religions created around these Gods I am an anti-theist.

The trouble people have with the definition of Atheism or Agnosticism is really kind of amusing and frustrating all at the same time but I guess I can understand it from a theists perspective because they simply cannot understand what it’s like to be without a religion, the concept seems so foreign to some of them that they instinctively consider Atheism to be a religion as well.

We must understand that we have leaned on religion for so long that even when science came along and surpassed it by leaps and bounds in regards to our understanding of our existence it wasn’t simply going to disappear.

But don’t worry, time heals all wounds.

 

I don't think you're being offensive, just non-communicative.
LOL.

 

With all the lies he has told, he is not even deserving an apology if you were to spit in his face.

 

It's easy to define atheism: Atheism is it if a catholic priest - his name is Kevin Wallin - sells drugs in Waterbury.

[video=youtube;4dcGsbnXdBQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dcGsbnXdBQ[/video]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1C-GXQ1LdY

 

I am a catholic Christian who is an agnostic on its own - Agnosticism is only a problem in a special ways to think about the existance of god. So why should I (- or anyone else who is experienced with the philosophical construct "agnosticism" -) confuse your atheisms - if you are an atheist - with agnosticism? I am on my own an agnostics and believer in god. Both. One is part of my philosophy the other is [part of] my faith.

Very very short: Agnosticism gives you three possibilities how to use your thoughts: A="God is existing"- B="God is not existing" and C="God is as well existing and not existing the same time". I guess the most people would prefer he third possiblity, because god could be indeed in this way - and it sounds somehow also in a way most people would call "wise"- but this decision is the most dangerous decision: it's a contradiction and so this allows us not to use our logic any longer. This means: agnosticism forces us to make a decision - not because of god but because of logic (What's by the way somehow the same for Christians because we say also "god is logos" ) .

My decision is it to believe in god (this decision has other reasons than agnosticisms only) - and I guess your decision is it not to believe in god. That's maybe the reason someone calls you "atheist".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLKJ6QXFLUA

 

There must be almost no atheists in the entire world, according to that exceptionally bizarre definition.

 

I try to be forgiving, he seems young.

 

Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rJy5a8m-oc

 

God's servant weighs in.
This post was from your Christian soulmate, elijah.
Is this what you want to be associated with?
If I seem young to you, does Incorporeal brim with maturity?
Faith creates very strange bedfellows.

 

Rather than forgive me, which you have no power to do, seek it for yourself.
Choosing Incorporeal as your ally is choosing vicious vitriol.
Who will you walk in solidarity with?

 

Rather than forgive me, which you have no power to do, seek it for yourself.
Choosing Incorporeal as your ally is choosing vicious vitriol.
Who will you walk in solidarity with?

 

I call myself "hey hey you!"

I personally think the question is backwards.

i think Im pretty normal. People are born w/o any religion, and if they are lucky, are allowed to stay that way.

Some people are communists, or musicians. That does not make the rest of us
"acommunists' or "amusicainitst".

The question to are you a communist is presumably, "no".

Not, "are you an acommunist' and if so, define it!


Likewise, you can be a goddist, if you so choose.

Questin has a simple answer, "are you a goddist / communist / bass guitarist?"

Answer is "no."


Im not defined in terms of others' belief in god, or if they play the guitar.

 

I'll walk with Christ, because He's the only one that wont fail me.

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Well, I call myself a Christian, but there are all kinds of factions of christians, but if one assumes I'm a certain type of christian, thats fine, we'll just define it as we go. Its nothing to get worked up over. imo

 

So in your solidarity with Christ, how do you think He would react to Incorporeal's post? Would he suggest also that spitting in my face would not require an apology?
Don't wiggle.
Make a stand about his post. You are responding as if you support him.
Do you?

 

I don't see where he "spat" in your face. Also, it seems like you're fishing for an apology of some sort from him.

 

I really don't care for anything from him.
I am wondering if you stand for something.
He said you wouldn't owe an apology even if you spit in my face.
Do you agree?
Why would you avoid that question as a Christian?
How do you think Christ would respond?
For Christ's sake, stand for something.

 

I said what I said. You seem young and I take that into consideration. I've already apologized to you. If this is what our exchanges are going to degenerate into, maybe we should just discontinue any further discourse.

 

They degenerate to this when you refuse to answer very simple questions with integrity.
At 55yo, I recognize spiritual cowardice very quickly.
Go on your way if you can't stand up for yourself.
Pretend you're being persecuted.
That should help your shame.

 

Then you admit that there is a spiritual realm. That would mean that your agnostic beliefs are at risk. Agnostics as I understand, are those who are uncertain as to whether or not the existence of such spiritual entities can be proven, hence a skepticism regarding such existence. Now you want others to believe that you have the capacity of recognizing what you call "spiritual cowardice". How is that possible?

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He can forget about that.

 

Some folks have and use this old saying "it is better to burn in hell, than to serve in heaven"... well I have another one based on your weak pleading... it is better to have vicious vitriol for meat than to strangle on lies... Your views of me as being one who uses vicious vitriol is really just a part of your world view (opinion), but the lies you admitted to giving to your congregation is a matter of public record on this forum.

 

And the fact that you have spit in the face of Jesus is also a matter of record.

 

Pardon me for going off topic, but I always thought the quote was "better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heav'n", and that it came from Paradise Lost. Makes a lot more sense if you're ruling hell rather than burning in it.

 

I stand properly corrected. Thank you for that correction. Serving, ruling, burning, all the same geography as far as I am concerned. Those that are sadistic might end up in a higher ranking position in hell and have the ability to reign over a few of lesser importance.

 

It's possible when ignorant people mischaracterize what it means to be an agnostic.
Incorporeal.
The gift that keeps on giving.

 

Not only do you get the quote wrong, you mangle some kind of bizarre extrapolation of it.
I am not the self professed Christian who admits that what he says has nothing to do with Jesus.
That would be you.
Incorporeal.
The gift that keeps on giving.