BILL MAHER: Comparing Islam to Christianity regarding violence is liberal bull.....

It's nice to hear someone on the Left say it.

 

The way I've always seen it--is that Muslims are actually just more religious than Christians are. People in the US who claim they are Christians, aren't really Christians at all. They claim to follow the Bible, and yet, few attend church every week and most have had premarital sex, and use birth control. Few actually follow the ten commandments. So the vast majority of Christians are Christians in name, but not really in practice.

Compare that to Muslims--who pray 5 times a day. Can you imagine if Christians had to pray 5 times a day? Most of them barely make it to church on Sunday. Muslims, as a group, are simply a lot more serious about their religion than Christians are. I think that's pretty obvious.

 

Radical muslims are more violent than radical Christians, but don't blame the entire group for the actions of a few.

 

I was going to argue with you but I think you are right...in a way.
If the outward manifestations of a religion, praying daily, dressing modestly, going to church "religiously" is the test than the average American Christian probably fails.

But if the actual message of your religion counts for anything, you know, behaving in a consistent manner with the tenants of your belief (do not kill, peacefully coexist with others, etc)
then the Christians may have a leg up (no bombing pun intended).
However as some have pointed out the many admonitions to convert or kill the infidel in the Koran may show that Muslims actually win there as well.

 

You are right. Muslims are brainwashed not to think for themselves. Muslims historical background comes from theocratic gov'ts who do the thinking for them from early childhood and through education in these theocratic countries. Christians, by in large, come from free societies where they are allowed to worship as they see fit. Christianity is also not a religion as much as it is a faith. Whatever denomination one may be or not be, faith in Christ, is the only denominator that matters. Without faith in Christ's ultimate sacrifice, one is NOT a christian.It's not about the 10 commandments (although they are a guiding light and from which judgement takes place) but the be all,end all is whether or not one believes in the holy trinity of God the father, the son and the holy spirit and that Christ laid down his life and rose from the dead.
There is a huge difference between christianity and islam.You just don't know the difference.

 

But that's not true either. The tenets of christianity (goto church every week, dont have sex before marriage, etc) are ignored by most christians. But for the islamic terrorists, the tenets of their religion tell them to engage in jihad. In performing a suicide bombing, they are making the ultimate sacrifice for what they believe is right according to their own religion. That is the ultimate sacrifice for your beliefs (even though we may see those beliefs as completely wrong-headed).

Modern christianity is all about self-importance and entertainment. Mega-churches are built where services are more like rock concerts than actual worship. Messages about self-sacrifice are largely ignored. That is why although many people claim to be christians, they are only christians in name and not in practice. This is not true for Muslims.

 

Most Christians don't belong to mega churches.

Well, we have disagreement over what it means and takes to be "a real Christian". I don't doubt for a moment that strapping dynamite to your chest and then blowing yourself up on a bus takes the ultimate commitment.
But how many Muslims are committed to this degree and
is this done to honor Islam? Or to blindly lash out at a world in which you find yourself with no freedom, no hope of a better life and are encouraged by authority figures to take your only path to happiness...by killing as many other people as you possibly can.

 

"Afganistan" was not, a small tribe of Taliban were. This difference between these is night and day. All you are doing here is clearly showing everyone your complete lack of understanding of other countries. Not every country works like the USA!

America's on record justification was they they were a security thread to the world, this story changed when no WMD was found.

What would jesus say and think? How would he act? If you are a christian, you are way out of line with jesus' teachings and far more aligned with the old testement, which is all about killing people, spite, hate and vitriol.

 

I've said this before and will repeat myself:

Elements of the US Right have moved so far to the extreme right, that everyone in the middle looks like they are extreme left. I hold by this.

 

I'm pretty sure that was the point made.

 

Your density is exceeded only by your hatred of Christians, Jews, and America. The only "government" in Afghanistan at the time WAS the Taliban! Afghanistan is nothing but a location. The Taliban were willingly supporting and protecting the Al Qaida murderers who planned 9/11. If those murderers are in Afghanistan, and are being protected by the Taliban leadership in Afghanistan, where would you suggest the US have gone?...... Norway, perhaps????

Read your statement above, and my response to it. The ONLY one here with a lack of understanding is YOU!

That's a fact! The United States doesn't slaughter women in soccer stadiums for the amusement of radical Muslim crowds! The Afghanistan Taliban government and their Al Qaia cohorts did! The United States doesn't beat women in the streets because those women weren't dressed in burkhas. The Afghanistan Taliban government and their Al Qaida cohorts did! The United States doesn't purposefully target innocent civilians, slaughtering thousands, and rejoicing in the deaths. The Afghanistan Taliban government and their Al Qaia cohorts did! You obviously think that the Taliban and Al Qaida leadership worked better, huh??

You preferred Sadam Hussein in power, did you? Iraqis have now elected a government by democratic means. Whether the Iraqis prove worthy of the freedom the US has given them remains to be seen. Nevertheless, they've been given the opportunity for self-determination and freedom. The alternative was continuing under the rule of a murdering dictator. You think the Iraqi people were better off under Sadam?

None of us is Jesus! We are not divine! We're nothing but weak human beings who at most can try our best to do right. When someone tries to kill us, we will do our best to protect ourselves. We Americans don't take kindly to those who'd kill us and destroy the nation we love. We don't start wars to gain terrority. We don't start wars to enslave others. When we are threatened, however, we will start wars, and we WILL win those wars. It is our nature. I suggest that you and those like you learn that simple fact.

 

Well, unfortunately they do. The Medinan Suras. The more peaceful and tolerant verses of the Meccan suras were abrogated by the more intolerant, violent Medinan verses.

 

F that idiot !!

 

Who gives a crap what a second rate chat show host thinks, about anything?

So glad I do not watch tv, esp in the US. Full of under qualified, over opinionated windbags.

 

Well, we know what B.S. is. An M.S. degree means "More of the Same." A PhD means "Piled Higher and Deeper.

 

This comparing texts is a red herring. It's not about words, it's about swords.

 

Yah, I saw this last Friday night, love Bill for this. This 'professor on security's (??) answer to Maher's point on the Book of Morman, was that he thought they could possibly do the Book of Islam on Broadway. Are you.... frickin'.... kidding me? These people cannot face reality.

 

That's a difference in available military technology rather than a difference in attitude. If those religious war Christian fanatics had had nukes, they would have used them.

As for getting rid of that small minority of Muslims we don't approve of, it's not that simple. Muslims are very big on defending fellow Muslims from outsiders (hence the emphasis on the plight of the Palestineans and the boost in popularity for Al-Qaeda after the Iraq invasion. What we need to do is to discredit the Islamo-fascists and reduce their pool of support, until mainstream Muslims themselves openly and regularily condemn them.

Think of Muslims as socialists and Islamo-fascists as communists. We may not like socialists but we can put up with them while we just can't stomach communist or the atrocities they generate. The problem is that socialists tend to give communists the benefit of the doubt until the evidence against a monster like Stalin becomes overwhelming. This is the problem today with persuading the Muslim world; but trying to crush all the communists (and no doubt wiping out some socialists at the same time) didn't tend to work historically.

 

Revisionist BS. ZINN HAS POLLUTED YOU BEYOND YOUR OWN ABILITY TO THINK. Also, any attrocity committed by 'Christian fanatics' was in keeping with the zeitgeist. Islam is a millenium out of phase.

It's not our approval that enters the calculus. THEY WANT YOU DEAD. They are at war with us and the Scumbag-in-Chief can't even say the words. And you think it's about approval.

Lie down and die. You're nearly there.

 

That is a crock of crap. The right wing is in and of itself reactionary.

The further left the progressives go the further right the right wing goes. The right wing is inherently a reactionary side effect of left wing ideology. You can't have the left without the right because the right is a direct product of the existence of the left.

Lean left even further and the right will lean even further right.

In essence: The right is only as fringe and extreme as the left. It will always be like this.

 

If the criticism is of "christianity" or "islam" it would seem the text is more relevant. If the criticism is of christians or muslims, their deeds with the swords would be more relevant.

 

Maher is more intelligent than he lets on.

 

He's a chat show host for goodness sake.

Aren't there slightly more cerebral people for you guy's to read about?

 

So true Slash. As Maher said to the blind-to-reality professor, "what color is the sky in your world?"

 

The sky is one big rainbow.