BILL MAHER: Comparing Islam to Christianity regarding violence is liberal bull.....

Maintaining a grasp on reality isn't islamophobia

 

You can be led by your version of "reality" but maligning another's religion is an extremely unChristian self-indulgence.

You should, at the very least, realize that.

 

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A cautionary note. You point out the truth about Muslims, and they start up their propaganda noise machine. They will have no links or facts to back themselves up mind you. Just point out their distractions in this thread when you see them. They are not grounded in Western Culture, so their responses are usually irrelevant. Don't be concerned. Just keep going. You will get a lot of viewers who will read your links, and post nothing. That is what winning is about at PF. You are helping members discover the enemy for themselves.

As I say, not too bright, but they will murder to prevail.
Bill Maher would be pleased with you.​

 

The video Muslims do not want you to see.

[video=youtube;7Gzyeo1Z1I4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&list=PL70B1741B332421AB&index=1[/video]​

 

As I recall, there are Koranic strictures that permit or maybe even insist upon prevarication in furtherance of the cause. Makes sense since it clearly promotes violence.

 

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Someone will figure out that if a pressure cooker bomb can have this effect.

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Then it could have a similar effect elsewhere. An eye for any eye is what foreign Muslims understand.

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At the present time, we have more to fear from Islam than Christianity when it comes to physical violence and Christians are NOT always the ones to notice this. Sometimes it is members of the new atheist movement like Sam Harris:
[video=youtube;ZfFhCwvluVM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfFhCwvluVM[/video]

 

THE VIDEO MUSLIMS DO NOT WANT YOU TO SEE.

[video=youtube;7Gzyeo1Z1I4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4[/video]​

 

".... You will find the nearest in love to Muslims those who say 'we are Christians'. That is because amongst them are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world and they are not arrogant. And when they listen to the Quran revelation received by the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognized. ... So because of what they said, Allah rewarded them ...." [Quran, chapter 5, verses 82-86]​

Are there proponents of all faiths that fail to adhere to their strictures?

A perusal of the historic record indicates they abound, that antagonistic religionists, especially within the Abrahamic tradition, continually violate their own tenets by maligning one another savagely.

Christianity's sacred word on the matter: "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone ... John 8:7

 

Yes. But its when Muslims adhere to their strictures that unbelievers frequently suffer the violence of Islam. Only muslims have strictures commanding them to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until religion should only be for allah". Only Islam dictates the form of government and law to be applied.

 

Revealing that you view quoting from the Koran and Islamic scholars as maligning Islam. Says everything about the content of the quotes, and nothing about me.

 

Obviously there are those who devoutly follow the moral guidance their religions afford them, and others who attack those of other religions, instead.

That is an eternal verity, but the haters cannot be allowed to triumph.

The calls for mutually-respectful dialogue by true proponents of the respective faiths endure:

 

9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

As long as the christians and jews pay the protection money and accept their life of subjection.

 

If you prefer to preach your own version of another faith rather than espousing your own, you may wish to ask yourself why you feel compelled to do that.

 

It's a quote from the Koran, not my version of the faith and I am an atheist.

 

Well, I guess this vid pretty much shut-up the PRO-Muslim advocates. I guess Muslim children being trained with guns to murder Americans and Jews scared them off.

There is nothing they can say when the film is from their own Muslim television network.

 

Before we start the name-calling and pointing fingers, let’s try to have a mature and civilized conversation.

I know that I also do this, call people names and say something sarcastic.

I apologize for putting akr in the same category with the extreme left wingers.

I’ll explain later why I brought up Christian history and talked about some individuals who made a big difference, and how that is related to this topic.

I hope everybody here is going to read this.

I want to say something important from the beginning. I don’t come from a religious background. As a kid, I didn’t read the Bible or go to church every Sunday. I’ve formed my conclusions about God and life, and faith, on my own, as an adult. That gives me an advantage both over people who are and were always religious, and over postmodern skeptics and atheists.

I lived “in the world”, so to speak. I’ve been on both sides. I don’t think many of you have. And frankly, I don’t think there’s a difference between an atheist who has never tried to look at things from a spiritual perspective and a very religious person who has never looked at things from a perspective different from what they are used to.

I wouldn’t argue that there also Christians who are fanatical, just like Muslims. There are fanatics in every religion, not just in Islam and Christianity. Some of those ultra-Orthodox Jews are just as fanatical as Muslims. In Hinduism there are violent fanatics, this has become a problem in India starting over a decade ago.

But there are some major differences between Christians and Muslims, between the normal ones, not the extremists. I think anybody with an average IQ and who is honest with himself or herself, can see these differences.

I think you all have the IQ. I don’t think you are stupid, so you can come to the obvious conclusions. But are you honest with yourself? That remains to be seen.

Here are the differences.

When there is a book or movie coming out, that insults Jesus Christ and God, attacks the Bible and perhaps ridicules Christians, there is no mass violent reaction from Christian people.

Did you hear of Dan Brown receiving death threats for writing “The DaVinci Code”?

Did Martin Scorses have to live under police protection 24 hours a day, for making a movie like “The Last Temptation of Christ”?

Do Christians riot and destroy movie theaters or bookstores?

The answer is clearly, No.

The proof is in the pudding.

Muslims always react with fanaticism and violence when their religion is offended. Now, I’m not saying we should offend their religion just for the heck of it. But we have to tell the truth about Mohamed and the fact that he was a fanatic who murdered people. The truth about the Quran, that it contains hateful texts. Muslims are taught in the Quran to “take not the Jew and the Christian for a friend”. Jews are called “pigs and apes”. Sura 5:33 commands the killing of infidels, through crucifixion. There are many things in the Muslim religion that are usually avoided by the news media and politically correct zealots in academic groups.

You don’t find things like that in the New Testament.

In Luke chapter 9, starting in verse 51, there’s a passage about how Jesus rebuked John and James, two of his disciples. They suggested that he call down fire from heaven from God, over a village of Samaritans who didn’t welcome Christ in their village. "Jesus turned to them, and rebuked them saying: “You don’t know what spirit you are influenced by! For the Son of man has come not to destroy men’s lives, but to save them” (Luke 9:56).

In one of the epistles to Timothy if I remember correctly, Paul told Timothy to “depart from such a man”. He was talking about any man who maintains false teachings. He didn’t tell Timothy to beat him up, to kill him, to have him whipped by the church, none of that. He just told him to stay away from him.

I think we can agree that this is very different from the Muslim doctrines on how to deal with heretics. J

Television stations avoid showing any cartoons that ridicule Mohamed, but they don’t have a problem with showing cartoons that ridicule Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary. Like the cartoon on Comedy Central about four years ago. They don’t dare show any cartoons about Mohamed because they are afraid they might get blown up. That proves they know how reality works, different from political correctness. They know that most Muslims are violent and fanatical. I’m not talking about terrorists here. Muslims don’t have to be terrorists, in order to hate you and be capable of killing you for offending their religion. That’s their mentality and politically correct idiots deny that.

“Christians trying to spur a revolt”. quote from Akr.

I have to say that’s ridiculous. It sounds like a conspiracy theory similar to Hillary Clinton’s claim that the investigation of Bill Clinton’s lying, was part of a “vast right wing conspiracy”.

I don’t think the fanatics who use bombs to attack abortion clinics are trying to start a revolt. They are trying to make a statement, and it’s a stupid statement. I still haven’t figured out how are they saving babies from abortions by blowing up a clinic where there may be some pregnant women inside. The whole thing is crazy and it’s not biblical.

I brought up in a previous comment the subject of Christian history and people who have done good in the Name of God, because that’s mostly ignored. Most atheists and politically correct liberals who have contempt for Christianity, have only one argument, and that is “the inquisition and the Crusades”. That’s all they know about Christian history. They never say anything about the Christians who have done a lot of good throughout history.

I mentioned William Carey, David Livingstone, Michael Faraday, and there was also William Wilberforce, from the English Parliament in the late 1700s and early 1800s, who was a devout Christian. He contributed the most to eliminating the slave trade and abolishing slavery in Great Britain and its colonies. That’s not all. He also worked to improve the conditions in prisons and passed a bill that stopped flogging in the British military. He was a friend of John Newton, a former slave trader who repented and became a believer and the composer of the famous Christian church hymn Amazing Grace.

It seems to me that those who claim they are against stereotyping and ignorance, are the ones promoting stereotyping of Christians and ignorance of Christian history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-4NFvI5U9w Amazing Grace music video

 

In regard to some of the punishments in the Old Testament, how do you reconcile that with the New Testament?

I thought about it and I asked myself that question.

I think the answer is found in history.

When the Israelites came out of Egypt, the world was a dark place. Paganism ruled everywhere. Things like human sacrifices, especially newborn children, worshipping the sun and moon, temples for prostitutes, including for homosexuals, were considered normal in many cultures. If God would have not given some harsh commandments, the Jews would copied those things and destroyed themselves.

Look at other cultures from those times, they were self-destructive.

It looks like we are doing the same thing. Abortion including "after birth abortions" proposed by some pro-choice "ethicists" is a modern version of sacrificing babies, and is viewed as normal. I posted a link to an article about this in an earlier comment.

The so-called gay pride parades are a modern version of pagan festivals where promiscuity was encouraged. The notion that the earth is sacred by many environmentalists is a modern version of worshipping nature, like pagan cultures in ancient times. All these things are not new, like liberal humanists think. They are old tricks used by satan to destroy human society. If you look at every pagan empire in the past, they had some of the exact cultural traits that we have today. They all disappeared from history. And people think God is trying to stop them from having fun, when He tells them those things are destructive. I think God knows more about human nature and history than we do, so it's a smart thing to listen to Him.

In New Testament times, people were more ready to receive the grace of God. Israel was a nation and they were no longer copying the destructive aspects from other cultures anymore. God therefeore eliminated the punishments from the Old Testament, most importantly because God knew that the final sacrifice made by Jesus Christ was going to be sufficient.

 

We've all known what a bunch of miserable, dirt bags these people are. No one forced it on them, they choose to take this path themselves, and raise their children the same. They will all go down for it, no matter how much they breed.

 

This is something that some of you have talked about, especially graspforpeace. So, graspforpeace, I hope you read this.

Jesus did stop the death penalty by stoning. He did that when he saved the adulterous woman from being stoned, see in John chapter 8. That didn't change the fact that God is still against those sins and expects people to go to Him for deliverance and forgiveness.

Here’s something to think about. The other monotheistic religions reject Jesus and his atoning sacrifice. That’s why Muslims still stone people. They are stuck in that “curse of the law” mentality. They haven’t been set free by Jesus Messiah, the Savior. Jews are in the same boat. They don’t stone people, although some of the ultra-Orthodox Jews can be just as violent and fanatical as some of the Muslims. But overall, Judaism is acting in an ironic way. They don’t acknowledge that Messiah has already come, and that he was Jesus, but they do some things that confirm his past coming and atoning work. Today, Jews don’t sacrifice animals to God and they don’t stone people. By not doing that, they somehow confirm that Jesus as the Christ has already completed the atonement work and there is no further need for animal sacrifices and for other aspects of Old Testament law. It seems that God makes sure that Judaism doesn’t fall into the same snare that Islam did.

 

Hmmm- I wonder if Bill Maher will be live tonight and will he agree that they scrubbed the emails?

 

That's the problem, liberals are not "honest" about this issue. They are not stupid (Lol) they can take a look around the world and see for themselves which religion is home to the most violent extremeists. They're a broken record with the usual talking points though. All over the internet is the usual "Islam-is-no-worse-than-Chjristianity" bs.

 

I know, that's right. It's a good point.

It's easy to see reality for what it is in this situation, but many people don't like that. Jesus said "I was born and I have come into the world to testify to the truth. Whoever is from the truth, hears my voice". I think He was talking about truth or reality in any area, not just theology. It's important to see things as they are, not as we want them to be, that's something that many people don't get.