Question for bible experts

Although we don't know for sure, the evidence that Sumerian mythology is the basis for most western and middle east theologies is convincing. The Sumerians became the Akkadians, who became the Babylonians, who together spread their ideology throughout the region, including Persia and even influencing Zoroastrianism. Eastern mythology and theism is quite different.

The joker in the deck is Egypt. Although there are comparisons which can lead one to believe Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian theology had an influence, the extent of their beliefs and practices make them somewhat the Madagascar/Galapagos of ancient western religions.

It's quite fascinating.

But one thing is clear to me, Christians, Jews and Muslims are worshiping the ancient if not updated, Sumerian God Ea...heheh.

 

I don't care if the ancient Hebrews stole the land through military conquest from everyone else, that's what they did at that time. More power to them. But I find it interesting when I cite historical facts about the history of the Levant and also the accepted and established provenance of the Pentateuch as being first written around 500bc and not by Moses, that I am now an antisemite.

Which is also funny since most of the civilizations/societies I mention are semitic.

 

Only Homo Sapiens.

There was a study that was not peer reviewed, that claimed Homo Sapiens interbred with Neanderthal's, but the newest thought on the issue is that no--they didn't.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Hum...:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb

 

no it is when you say the Bible was written to legitimize the stealing of land... Yawn...I love how you ask for Bible expert and then ignore them for your own ideology. Good boy.

 

I took an Earliest civilizatinos class many moons ago. The Akkadians and Sumerians are kind of synonomous (stemmed from the same group at some point) Akkadian was the written form of the Sumerian language "Elamite" and used as the language of commerce all the way down to 500 BC. Akkadian represents an evolution of the Sumerian language written in cuneiform script if that makes any sense.

We can not read proto Elamite which dates back to as early as 3500 BC. We can read Elamite which arose around 3100 BC. Akkadian is the evolution of Elamite by around 2500 BC.

The Sumerian/Akkadian Empire was founded by Sargon of Akkad. He conquored the Sumerian city states to create the worlds first empire around 2400 BC. The story of Sargon is similar to the story of Moses "put into a basket as a baby and floated down a river", he then rises to create a great empire (just as Moses was supposed to do).

This empire went on happily until around 2100 BC. There is a dark age around this time (which basically means we have little information and that there was societal chaos, rebelliion, civil un rest, upheaval and so forth)

100 years later around 2000 BC we no longer have one great empire but two. The Assyrians and the Babylonians. It is cool because when we disciphered the rosetta stone "Akkadian" we were able to understand the language of both as they were pretty much the same.

If you watch that Naked Archeaologist fellow he mentions that the God of Abraham was El. This is pretty much accepted in serious circles. We even find El referred to as the head dude in the Bible. Here is one instance but there are others. http://www.jhsonline.org/Articles/article_144.pdf

Throughout the History of the Israelites given in the Bible they do not spend much time worshiping this YHWH fellow. Moses is forbidden to go into the promised land because he used a stick to get water out of a stone rather than speaking at it. Joshua then takes over.

Moses comes out of Egypt around the time of Akhenaten (the Pharaoh that introduced monotheism to Egypt). The people revolt and anyone that was part of the Cult of Akhenaten would have to flee for their lives. Moses was most likely part of that cult, leading is followers out of Egypt.

Note that when Moses goes up the mountain shortly after comming out of Egypt, Aaron (his own brother) and the rest of the people build a golden calf to worship (El and his consort Asherah or perhaps even the trinity El/ Asherah/ Baal .. or perhaps even YHWH was substituted for Baal since he was also a son of El)

Obviously these were the Gods the people were worshiping prior to Moses so we have continuous worship of El up to the time of Moses. What is truly bizzare is that after seeing God with their own eyes (parting the red sea and so forth) these folks would be so fickle.

What is absolutely impossible to believe is that upon the return of Moses (Gods chosen leader that they had seen with their own eyes - not from some centuries old tradition) the people would go against Moses.

Well, the impossible happens and when Moses says (are you with me/the lord, or against me/the lord) many go against him. Moses, being the good military leader that he was sends out assassins and kills 3000 who went againt him.

The parting of the Red sea never happened. It just does not pass the giggle test that people of that time period who had actually seen God perform such a miracle with thier own eyes would go against his chosen leader.

As soon as Joshua dies the Israelites go back to worshiping other Gods. King Soloman is building all kings of temples to pagan Gods and by the time of Elijah there is almost no one in Israel thinking about YHWH. Elijah tells us that he is the only prophet for the one true God, 450 for Baal and 400 for Asherah. We do not even know who this God of Elijah was but in any case. No one was worshiping this God.

The Israelites are polytheistic complete with Child sacrifice at times for most of their history.

It is only at the time of the Persians who free the Jews form Babylonian captivity that they turn to monotheism. The Jews believe that King Cyrus of the Persians (and this is stated in the Bible) is favored by God.

The Persians practiced Zoroastrian monotheism and they abohored child sacrifice. The Jews adopt this form of religion and this is when the OT bible is edited into the form we have it today.

That editing reflects the dogma adopted at the time of the Persians.

 

I can see that you, like me, are a student of ancient civilizations. They are quite fascinating...shall we go on or are we hijacking the thread?

 

The history remains the same. The only difference is the bible adds "God made me do it".

 

Maybe God did create "Adam and Steve." Eve hallucinating a talking snake indicates that she was starved for sex!

 

Many mass migrations, and the Indo-European move to everywhere from India to Ireland was the biggest of all time, comprised refugees running for their lives. they may have been chased away by one last attempt at conquering the superior species by a Neanderthal-type group. In our modern cities, it's known as block-busting.

 

His bloodfthirsty, predatory descendants became the Arabs. Islam is the Religion of Cain. Many tribes got started when banished individuals grouped together to form criminal gangs.

 

Like the Habiru?

 

Your intellectual authorities are self-serving, escapist, narrow-minded, and authoritarian conformists. Being self-educated, I am able to notice patterns and make connections. Another race that borrowed its deity's name from the IEs was the Arabs. Allah has a logical and verbal connection to the Greek helios, meaning "the sun." What else could have ben the first concept of a god? Only narrow-minded academics would dismiss it because it is not Semitic.

 

Why don't historians ask where the Sumerians got this story from? And why do people assume that all these people were Semitic? If they spoke Semitic languages, that doesn't prove they were Semitic. The Nordic tribes who overran Europe during the Dark Ages all adopted Latin.

 

I see scholars are bad because you have special knowledge.

 

How about this? Most Europeans are dominated by genes from a stupid and violent species, Neanderthal or not. They are dominated internally, which makes them perfect slaves. Their violence only comes out in obedience to the Master. They were also dominated by their sex drive for women. The Indo-Europeans easily conquered such feminized cowards. The differences in the European languages came not from time or isolation, but because they were mostly learned as second languages to the pre-IE language. Contrary to Nazi doctrine, the Germans were the least Aryan, as indicated by the fact that they were about 2,000 years behind the Greeks and Romans. Dumb Blonde jokes have a basis in genetics.

 

They are intellectual pedophiles. A college student works without pay and lives like a child. So he has the mind of a child. Not only are professors unchallenged by students who immaturely look upon them as infallible father figures, as you do, but the professors themselves come from such a childish and unnatural education.

Jews may have superficial Semitic genes that show up in facial characteristics, but I see nothing significant that they have in common with the Arabs. Those blinded by intellectual authority can't see this obvious contradiction.

 

Also consider this: Azerbaijan = Israel-baijan. In fact, the Moses story could have taken place there, north of the Middle East. Slaves of the cruel ruler Yahweh/Jove escaped while their Masters were inflicted with a disease from eating pork. The Jews were only allowed a slave diet, no meat. So they escaped to Mesopotamia.

 

What are you painfully trying to say?

 

Maybe legitimize was the wrong word. how about glorify?

 

They were all pretty much blood thirsty and predatory. The Islam is Cain thingy is just plain weird.

 

Don't know where you got that. Allah (derived from Al-ilah) means "The god or gods". It's closer to "Elohim" which is the hebrew word for god or gods as well. The Greek Helios is Indo European, not Semitic.

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Because Sumerian is the earliest recorded history that we have.

 

Jews and Arabs are both semites.

 

I don't know where you get this stuff. Azer is proto Persian and means "fire" and Isreal is actually "Yisra-El' meaning "struggles with god" and was the name given to Jacob after his wrestling match with god.

And there is the Canaanite god "El" again....

 

Now were did I say that?

 

Moses isn't even a name. It's a hebrew concoction of the Egyptian word "meses", which means "son". An example...Rameses is actually Ra-meses, or Son of Ra.

Another reason to believe Moses is a made up fictional character.